Not an ordinary working person if you earn over 45k

[TesChique]

Disincentivising anyone to strive to earn over 45k a year is a bizarre strategy for growth i feel

Aibu?

But then even so you don't stay on £24k forever?

Not everyone goes to uni you know. You sound really ignorant. Who makes your coffee? Cleans your office, serves your beer? Do you think they should be trying harder? You are so ignorant of the world and the people in it.

Labour are in power. Exactly who is the Labour party supposed to be for? Those earning less than 45k, or those earning more than 45k?

PP said neither of them are graduates. They could both be cleaners, or retail workers, or care workers.
Either way, they are doing jobs that need doing and I am not sure what you are hoping to achieve by questioning them about it. I don't think you and the other poster are asking in good faith.

HNRTFT but if £45k is the benchmark,who is going to be caring for the high earning peoples children ,their parents and serve them in shops etc !

Thank you, which is why I am not answering them. If they don't think people spend a lifetime on minimum wage or just above they are very privileged

Working people.

That is, people who get paid for their labour.

Last time I checked there wasn’t a salary limit on that.

Their determination to limit people's aspirations is so perverse and bad for the country. The flip side is that it isn't acceptable for bosses to get even richer by exploiting other humans. A fair wage for fair labour. No more universal credit top ups.

So patronising. Why is it so difficult to believe that a 59 year old would be on this salary? I think this thread has shown that the majority of people are on a lot less than £45k.

You are so right, if you continually increase tax and govt spends more, you are moving closer and closer to communism. Extrapolate the direction of this government and pretty soon we'll be queuing for bread and spending 20yrs on a waiting list for a Lada.

When I've been to coffee shops I've been served by young people, they must have been students?

I did meet a speak to one of the cleaners over the summer. He was excited for his holiday to Thailand.

I'll use this to tell my kids to work hard at school/uni and stay on the correct path.

Sadly yes

Who makes your coffee? serves your beer? - students in their part time job whilst studying or coffee shop owner. That's what I see around me in London

Cleans your office? - immigrants, who mostly don't speak any English. They already try way much harder than many British people on benefits.

Please ask who work in Sainsbury's, Lidl, Asda around me? all immigrants, again with very poor English (that's how I know they are immigrants, not because of race). These people are here legally and we badly need them because UK welfare is too generous to temp locals to do these jobs.

My cousin didn’t go to uni and he’s made more money than me as a graduate for most of my career. Plus he’s got one of those handy little jobs where he can do a bit on the side for cash, unlike us PAYE suckers. And back when I worked in retail, most of us were students or older ladies winding down before retirement. Very few people did it as a full time job for a long period of time. They moved into higher paid roles such as management, HR etc. or they left retail altogether. Ditto for friends serving beer, coffee or food.

They are the goverrnment hence are supposed to be for EVERYONE ie all UK citizens! Not for a select few based on random and changing criteria.

Or grew up in outskirts of London and want to stay near your parents….

My DP is 54 and is on about £30k. He is post grad educated, but after years of trying, is finally in a job that accommodates his disability (ASD).
That is way more important to him than earning the maximum possible.

I used to be Band 1 in the NHS (cleaner then porter). There were people there cleaning in their 50s and 60s.

The trouble it, low paid work is not enough to live on anymore. But some blame the people doing those vital jobs and not the cost of living shooting up.

That was another thing Starmer said when his polling was actually ok. He’d govern for everyone. That and tread lightly on our lives. Yeh right

That and tread lightly on our lives. Yeh right

More like stomp all over them with concrete boots.

Where is your private pension? Your state pension is a benefit paid by today's workers. You were supposed to feather your own nest as you went along.

Less than.

Only Labour could turn people who don't work into "ordinary working people" 🙄 I just have to wonder what I spend 40 hours a week doing though to be honest seeing as I'm no longer a "working person "

Do you know any other business model where trading is instant cash - no creditors and yet they squeeze farmers and impose draconian exclusive contracts and unconscionable* *payment terms on their suppliers ensuring they wait months for their money. Meanwhile manned tills are disappearing fast and pensioners are expected to download an app and scan their own shopping. I don’t see dead weight in Sainsbury’s or Tesco. You’re lucky if you can find any staff unless they’re shelf fillers and if they find a replacement for humans on that job they’ll go too. They are greedy corporates filling their shareholders pockets at the expense of the customers. It’s why Aldi and Lidl are increasing their market share. More profit = less employees = less tax revenue = increased costs for everyone and zero beneficial job-creating growth. It’s a vicious circle we’re seeing the results of now as Ash Sarker put it on QT on 16th October “everything is too expensive and nothing works”. Corporate greed in a nutshell!

A lot of Londoners of a certain age remember queueing for bread.

Where did I mention children?