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Not an ordinary working person if you earn over 45k

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TesChique · 02/11/2025 15:50

Disincentivising anyone to strive to earn over 45k a year is a bizarre strategy for growth i feel

Aibu?

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XenoBitch · 03/11/2025 20:36

TightOnes · 03/11/2025 20:28

When I've been to coffee shops I've been served by young people, they must have been students?

I did meet a speak to one of the cleaners over the summer. He was excited for his holiday to Thailand.

I'll use this to tell my kids to work hard at school/uni and stay on the correct path.

I was a hospital cleaner and was on my hands and knees cleaning the kick plates on a door.
A lady came past with her child and said to them that they needed to work hard at school or they would end up like me (and I saw her point at me).
One of the cleaners I worked with was a medical student. We had a mix of ages, but many people joined the lower bands of the NHS to get NHS experience.

RubySquid · 03/11/2025 20:38

nearlylovemyusername · 03/11/2025 20:29

Who makes your coffee? serves your beer? - students in their part time job whilst studying or coffee shop owner. That's what I see around me in London

Cleans your office? - immigrants, who mostly don't speak any English. They already try way much harder than many British people on benefits.

Please ask who work in Sainsbury's, Lidl, Asda around me? all immigrants, again with very poor English (that's how I know they are immigrants, not because of race). These people are here legally and we badly need them because UK welfare is too generous to temp locals to do these jobs.

But not everywhere I'm about 40 mins out of London. Never seen and local people who can't speak good English. And no uni students here either

ShortandLongOfIt · 03/11/2025 20:38

TightOnes · 03/11/2025 20:28

When I've been to coffee shops I've been served by young people, they must have been students?

I did meet a speak to one of the cleaners over the summer. He was excited for his holiday to Thailand.

I'll use this to tell my kids to work hard at school/uni and stay on the correct path.

Correct path! My path is the right one for me and my circumstances thanks very much.

MyLimeGuide · 03/11/2025 20:39

XenoBitch · 03/11/2025 20:36

I was a hospital cleaner and was on my hands and knees cleaning the kick plates on a door.
A lady came past with her child and said to them that they needed to work hard at school or they would end up like me (and I saw her point at me).
One of the cleaners I worked with was a medical student. We had a mix of ages, but many people joined the lower bands of the NHS to get NHS experience.

Well that lady that said that to you is just a massive C☆☆t

TightOnes · 03/11/2025 20:39

Abitlosttoday · 03/11/2025 20:28

So patronising. Why is it so difficult to believe that a 59 year old would be on this salary? I think this thread has shown that the majority of people are on a lot less than £45k.

Then what have you done with your life? Skills, progression, quality of life? Bettering yourself?

Just plodded along doing the same thing forever?

Boohoo76 · 03/11/2025 20:39

Putneydad7 · 03/11/2025 20:35

Where is your private pension? Your state pension is a benefit paid by today's workers. You were supposed to feather your own nest as you went along.

I don’t receive a state pension as I’m not a pensioner. I’m one of those “non-workers” who actually work. Think you have quoted the wrong person!

Putneydad7 · 03/11/2025 20:39

NorthXNorthWest · 03/11/2025 20:35

A lot of Londoners of a certain age remember queueing for bread.

You'd have to be quite a certain age if you can remember that, well done you !!

Or did you mean outside Gails for some fresh £5 sourdough?😀

nearlylovemyusername · 03/11/2025 20:39

Beemagirl · 03/11/2025 20:35

Do you know any other business model where trading is instant cash - no creditors and yet they squeeze farmers and impose draconian exclusive contracts and unconscionable* *payment terms on their suppliers ensuring they wait months for their money. Meanwhile manned tills are disappearing fast and pensioners are expected to download an app and scan their own shopping. I don’t see dead weight in Sainsbury’s or Tesco. You’re lucky if you can find any staff unless they’re shelf fillers and if they find a replacement for humans on that job they’ll go too. They are greedy corporates filling their shareholders pockets at the expense of the customers. It’s why Aldi and Lidl are increasing their market share. More profit = less employees = less tax revenue = increased costs for everyone and zero beneficial job-creating growth. It’s a vicious circle we’re seeing the results of now as Ash Sarker put it on QT on 16th October “everything is too expensive and nothing works”. Corporate greed in a nutshell!

They are greedy corporates filling their shareholders pockets

Do you have any pension? if yes, you're most likely to be their shareholder so you really do want them to do well.

Btw, retail works on notoriously small margins.

caringcarer · 03/11/2025 20:42

This government are breaking manifesto promises and instead of delivering a budget for growth RR is about to hit the squeezed middle. I detest RR who is a compulsive liar and I wish she'd get fired.

MissPobjoysPonies · 03/11/2025 20:43

All this proves is MPs aren’t working people.

The world is like living in a shocking novel - the US is the Handmaids Tale and we’re all in Animal Farm.

Beemagirl · 03/11/2025 20:44

TightOnes · 03/11/2025 19:15

I mean are you gonna stop Tesco and Sainsbury's being more profitable and cutting costs and deadweight?

At Sainsbury’s, chief executive Simon Roberts took home £5.18m for the year to 1 March, a rise on the £4.81m he received last year. His package included a base salary of just over £1m, along with £1.94m in annual bonuses and £2.17m in long-term incentives.
Sainsbury’s also lifted its retail operating profits by 7.2% to £1.04bn, with full-year sales up 3% to £31.5bn. The supermarket chain has issued a more cautious forecast for the year ahead, warning of flat profit expectations as competition remains fierce.
Tight margins eh 🤔

nearlylovemyusername · 03/11/2025 20:45

MissPobjoysPonies · 03/11/2025 20:43

All this proves is MPs aren’t working people.

The world is like living in a shocking novel - the US is the Handmaids Tale and we’re all in Animal Farm.

love this. so true

MissPobjoysPonies · 03/11/2025 20:46

TightOnes · 03/11/2025 20:39

Then what have you done with your life? Skills, progression, quality of life? Bettering yourself?

Just plodded along doing the same thing forever?

Good lord that’s rude.

XenoBitch · 03/11/2025 20:46

TightOnes · 03/11/2025 20:39

Then what have you done with your life? Skills, progression, quality of life? Bettering yourself?

Just plodded along doing the same thing forever?

There is nothing wrong with plodding along and doing the same thing forever.

Some people literally can not do anything but that.

Aa good work/life balance is vital. Otherwise, what is the point? We work to live, not live to work.

MidnightMeltdown · 03/11/2025 20:48

LBFseBrom · 03/11/2025 20:02

People have been complaining for years about cuts in benefits, the government don't want to cut them any more; many people depend on them in order to just live and eat. There was an uproar last year because pensioners with over a certain amount of income were not going to get the winter fuel allowance. I don't believe the government has ever been forgiven for that yet those pensioners survived, were none the worse for not getting £300. A lot of pensioners are well off and don't need it.

I'm a pensioner, not well off but I manage fine and am happy for a bit of my tax to go towards the welfare of others. I might need help myself one day, I hope not but nobody knows what is around the corner. More importantly I believe children need to be properly provided for and young families are often in need.

Yes of course, all the people who benefit were in uproar! The sense of entitlement of some of these people is astonishing. They think that everybody else owes them a living. Disability benefits in particular are ballooning.

AmIRetirementAgeYet · 03/11/2025 20:48

twistyizzy · 03/11/2025 19:22

Since when has income tax taken into account individual circumstances? That's a crazy suggestion. You think Labour will get HMRC to assess every individual?
If they change the band then it will be a blunt cliffedge. That's how it works for other bands

My point being they should! They do this for everyone on benefits. A single income household on 45k is very different to a double income household of around £60k.

As a single person I have worked hard over the last 10 years to ensure I can afford to live comfortably with rising costs and inflation. I have never claimed any benefits yet pay into a system for nothing in return. Poorer service from the council, GPs, hospitals and higher increase on all bills year on year.

Why should I now pay more tax so that those that choose not to work benefit?

ForlornLindtBear · 03/11/2025 20:49

twistyizzy · 03/11/2025 19:58

They weren't deemed false, his claim was for households. Many of Labour's counterclaims to his 2K figure have turned out to be false too. That was before Chagos etc too.
How are your energy bills by the way?

The OSR and BBC verify concluded his figures risked misleading people. It was an estimate beyond civil service provided figures and summed together over four years. What do my energy bills have to do with income taxation?

twistyizzy · 03/11/2025 20:49

AmIRetirementAgeYet · 03/11/2025 20:48

My point being they should! They do this for everyone on benefits. A single income household on 45k is very different to a double income household of around £60k.

As a single person I have worked hard over the last 10 years to ensure I can afford to live comfortably with rising costs and inflation. I have never claimed any benefits yet pay into a system for nothing in return. Poorer service from the council, GPs, hospitals and higher increase on all bills year on year.

Why should I now pay more tax so that those that choose not to work benefit?

Edited

Well yes of course but my point was that they won't take individual circumstances into account

I do however agree with you

NorthXNorthWest · 03/11/2025 20:50

Putneydad7 · 03/11/2025 20:39

You'd have to be quite a certain age if you can remember that, well done you !!

Or did you mean outside Gails for some fresh £5 sourdough?😀

😂1970's thanks!

Charlize43 · 03/11/2025 20:50

NoWordForFluffy · 03/11/2025 19:21

And if they only have the basic pension, they get pension credit which opens up the door to extra money / support.

You only get pension credit if you aren't getting the full state pension of £11,973 per year. They don't top you up to £45K!

TightOnes · 03/11/2025 20:51

Beemagirl · 03/11/2025 20:44

At Sainsbury’s, chief executive Simon Roberts took home £5.18m for the year to 1 March, a rise on the £4.81m he received last year. His package included a base salary of just over £1m, along with £1.94m in annual bonuses and £2.17m in long-term incentives.
Sainsbury’s also lifted its retail operating profits by 7.2% to £1.04bn, with full-year sales up 3% to £31.5bn. The supermarket chain has issued a more cautious forecast for the year ahead, warning of flat profit expectations as competition remains fierce.
Tight margins eh 🤔

My calcs after googling and AI show a post tax profit margin of 0.766%

Good on him them.

XenoBitch · 03/11/2025 20:51

MidnightMeltdown · 03/11/2025 20:48

Yes of course, all the people who benefit were in uproar! The sense of entitlement of some of these people is astonishing. They think that everybody else owes them a living. Disability benefits in particular are ballooning.

The people who benefit are in uproar because any cuts would plunge them into poverty.
But you clearly have believed the narrative that people on benefits are raking it in.
Yes, the benefits bills is huge, but speak to an individual that is on benefits and you will see that they are fucking scared about any cuts to the meagre money they get already.

twistyizzy · 03/11/2025 20:51

ForlornLindtBear · 03/11/2025 20:49

The OSR and BBC verify concluded his figures risked misleading people. It was an estimate beyond civil service provided figures and summed together over four years. What do my energy bills have to do with income taxation?

Labour promised to reduce them....remember?
Come back to me after the budget and see whether he mislead anyone.

LaserPumpkin · 03/11/2025 20:53

XenoBitch · 03/11/2025 20:51

The people who benefit are in uproar because any cuts would plunge them into poverty.
But you clearly have believed the narrative that people on benefits are raking it in.
Yes, the benefits bills is huge, but speak to an individual that is on benefits and you will see that they are fucking scared about any cuts to the meagre money they get already.

But some people who get universal credit esrn more than £45k. How can they be simultaneously in poverty and, according to some people on this thread, earning a salary beyond most people’s wildest dreams?

TightOnes · 03/11/2025 20:53

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