Not an ordinary working person if you earn over 45k

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Disincentivising anyone to strive to earn over 45k a year is a bizarre strategy for growth i feel

Aibu?

I mean why do some people not have a career

TBF not everybody can, but there are also a lot of people who choose not to because of life reasons. I know quite a few women (but strangely no men) who have decided to take non-career jobs because they fit better with their family life.

We are masters of our own destiny. I grew up very poor, trained as a nurse, furthered my career in healthcare and now earn a high salary.

Now of course I know there are differing levels of intelligence etc. An yes, lots of jobs pay less. That's how it works I'm afraid. You get paid for the value you deliver

A tax efficient working woman no less!

Ohh ok! 😅 Many reasons I guess. In my experience, many just don't want to. Which is up to them but yes of course they are then lower paid

Hard work still plays a massive massive factor. You can't just all blame others and say "boo hoo poor me" unless of course you have disability issues

It's far too low and piles on more misery before winter.

I think this will make more people feel miserable depreses and anxious. Probably leading to more people off work

If they had raised the tax thresholds everyone at the bottom would be better off .

@lalalapland I'm a professional in my 40s and therefore those I'm surrounded with have decent salaries.

Yes, many of us are professionals. That does not mean we automatically earn mumsnet salaries. Did you not look at the data provided?

Sounds like lots of people commenting want to live in a communist society. Where higher earners are taxed to level down, and lower earners are given benefits to level up. Resulting in everyone having the same.

If I was a member of the Communist Party of Britain, I could very easily recruit a lot of people simply by showing them some of the nonsense that the wealthy write in these threads.

I have been teaching for 10 years and don’t yet earn £45k.

@TightOnes Hard work still plays a massive massive factor. You can't just all blame others and say "boo hoo poor me" unless of course you have disability issues

Hard work isn't a factor. It can't be evaluated during an interview, so working hard does not achieve anything if you're unsuccessful in your interviews.

These days, the only thing achieved by working long hours is making your manager think that you're inefficient, as you're not able to complete your workload during standard hours.

Which is lovely
my dhs family come from there

The only downside is there isn’t a Lidl or Aldi 😟

Think you are missing the point though
which is to create a more equal tax system here, like for example Guernseys

Of course she did!!

No I haven't read all of your posts. But professionals my age earn above £45k. How much do you really think a 40 year old doctor or pilot should be paid? The same as someone working in Tesco??

Combined with raising the two child cap on benefits, this is fucking bonkers.

Hard work could be having two or three jobs. It doesn't have to be just in one job.

Overseas investors - who are subject to 0% tax on dividend and interest income plus any capital gains tax too so they can enjoy it tax free offshore, if they are tax resident in certain locations or if owned by a sovereign wealth fund etc.

Hike income tax for the UK plebs so the offshore billionaires can get a better return on their investment.

You have forgotten the hard work that goes into years of training for many professions

Do you buy things? Gadgets? Technology? Toiletries? Food? Medicines? Cleaning products?

How do you think they are made? Some people think a guy in a factory pushes a big button and everything magically pops out, but that's not the case. They are typically made by line operators who do not have a career and who do not earn very much.

You're asking "why do some people not have a career," yet, you are dependent on stuff every day that's made by people without careers.

I didn't forget that, because I know that from my own experience. But again, if you can't get past the interview, you're not getting the job.

Then perhaps get some interview training if this is holding you back?

If you haven't put in the work, you're not qualified to get to interview. You'll be rooted out by AI in seconds

Exactly that. I know plenty of extremely hard workers who can only dream of a salary like that.

Ah yes, I'll go onto Linkedin and have a look for part time jobs. I work during days, so a part time job needs to be during evenings or weekends.

Oh... there are no such jobs.

Maybe I should look for a remote job to supplement my income. Oh hang on, every remote job on Linkedin has 200 applicants because people are using AI to submit a CV to every single job they see because they're desperate to be employed in something.

That's simply not true - there has in fact been ever higher taxation and redistribution.

You can see from these graphs that between 1990 and 2016, the share of income the top 10% (excluding top 1%) take has decreased from 23% to 22% whilst the share of income tax they pay has increased from 25% to 30%. FML

Even if you include the top 1%, whilst the top 10% share of income has increased from 31% to 34% the share of income tax they pay has increased disproportionately from 40% to 60%.

I'm not quite sure that that was the suggestion. It was more that most who are higher earners worked hard to get there - at school, uni and early in their career. It doesn't mean that those who earn lower salaries dont work hard, of course many lower paid workers work extremely hard day to day, often having to work harder than higher earners as they are often more easily replaceable, and may need to do overtime to cover their bills

Whereas those with specific skills often have more flexibility - for example when i wanted to change working pattern and my boss declined, i said thats fine, please accept my resignation - the flexible working then magically became possible as they didn't want to lose me. I actually tell my daughter this - work really hard now so when you are older you have more choice in your career and future and can chose to not work so hard. I definitely don't work as hard as some of my friends who earn less than me. But I worked much harder than them at school, doing 5+ hours revision every day in run up to my GCSE's and A levels.