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Not an ordinary working person if you earn over 45k

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TesChique · 02/11/2025 15:50

Disincentivising anyone to strive to earn over 45k a year is a bizarre strategy for growth i feel

Aibu?

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Jamesblonde2 · 02/11/2025 20:25

user1476613140 · 02/11/2025 20:19

DH earns no where near £45k, but we do receive various benefits including UC, CA, CB, CDPx2, SCP and my eldest gets ADP. We manage fine🤷‍♀️

I’m sure you do, spending other people’s money.

Nolletimiere · 02/11/2025 20:25

MookieCat · 02/11/2025 20:20

You are right @twistyizzy . People change their behaviour. This government forgets that people have agency - and are mobile. Parents I know who were both working hard to afford private school fees? VAT comes in, they feel pressured and despised by the Government and have withdrawn their DCs. Great! Now all of a sudden they don't HAVE to have two well-paying jobs as they are saving roughly approx £30 k per child after tax. So, one parent quits entirely. Or both parents scale back. So the government has lost income tax. And the VAT that they said would never be lost because there would not be an attrition rate to the state sector. (Let's not mention the 25,000 private school students who have left the system since January, shall we? Bridget Philippson doesn't like that being pointed out). And they have lost good will from people who were previously net contributors. Well done Labour!

Or 'the rich' who are being hammered every which way. Look at the wealthy, and the moderately wealthy deciding that their future is no longer in the UK? The exodus is very real. Labour seem to forget that people have choices and when they are hammered repeatedly (and told they are just rich bastards anyway) they say 'fuck it'.

Then you get short termist hard of thinking numpties saying 'well, don't let the door hit you on the way out' failing to realise that this country actually NEEDS the proactive and mobile to stay here. With their money.

This government is really quite something in it's incompetence. It's inability to see through to the logical consequences of the cobbled together shite they pretend are fiscal policies. It's breath-taking.

A great post - bang on.

Plantatreetoday · 02/11/2025 20:25

Allisnotlost1 · 02/11/2025 20:05

I’ll have a read. But I’m confused that you’ve said everything should be equal and then posted a model that, by your own admission, isn’t equal?

It’s equal in terms of 20% over the threshold

However
some people will get help with for example
health insurance contributions
relocation support
disability allowances
some employers offer other benefits

Once a salary gets over £82k approx the additional financial benefits start reducing incrementally

This is similar to thresholds for child benefits etc here in the U.K.
What you don’t do however is pay a higher income tax rate on earnings

MidnightPatrol · 02/11/2025 20:25

I have to say it’s unbelievably depressing seeing the number of posters who seem to agree that earning basically anything over average / marginally above the minimum wage (which is now ~£25k) is really well off.

After tax, student loan, pension… we are talking not many extra pounds in your pocket per month.

And - inflation has been very high in recent years. A £45k salary in 2025 is like a £35k salary in 2020.

Nolletimiere · 02/11/2025 20:26

twistyizzy · 02/11/2025 20:14

I'm shocked 😲 they seemed like they genuinely wanted to pay more tax and there's nothing stopping them

Ikr?

NotTerfNorCis · 02/11/2025 20:26

I earn well over that, but am fine with tax increases. State funding has to come from somewhere. I'd rather live in a kinder society than have a few extra quid. One day we might all be relying on that kindness.

EasternStandard · 02/11/2025 20:27

NotTerfNorCis · 02/11/2025 20:26

I earn well over that, but am fine with tax increases. State funding has to come from somewhere. I'd rather live in a kinder society than have a few extra quid. One day we might all be relying on that kindness.

Starmer and Reeves will be pleased you are keen.

Alex902 · 02/11/2025 20:28

Its always been tax the middle, Yes I think £45k is a reasonable salary but your not going to be rich on it. But why strive for promotions or work in higher paid sectors when uni debt is now reaching £50k, house prices are now 20% more than in 2020 and rents are increasing by 8-9% each year (since 2021). It feels like a loosing battle.

LaserPumpkin · 02/11/2025 20:29

And - inflation has been very high in recent years. A £45k salary in 2025 is like a £35k salary in 2020.

And most salaries haven’t kept up with inflation.

In 2009 I got a job with an advertised salary band of £40 - £50k. The same job is now advertised as £42 - £55k.

lifeonmars100 · 02/11/2025 20:30

What about thickos like me who are not especially bright or talented? never earned that much , it is a fact of life that not all us can due to a multitude of factors, brains, talent, circumstances, health, connections. life chances, the economic climate...

Nolletimiere · 02/11/2025 20:30

user1476613140 · 02/11/2025 20:19

DH earns no where near £45k, but we do receive various benefits including UC, CA, CB, CDPx2, SCP and my eldest gets ADP. We manage fine🤷‍♀️

That’s quite a collection of abbreviations.

What is the sum total of those benefits please?

twistyizzy · 02/11/2025 20:31

Alex902 · 02/11/2025 20:28

Its always been tax the middle, Yes I think £45k is a reasonable salary but your not going to be rich on it. But why strive for promotions or work in higher paid sectors when uni debt is now reaching £50k, house prices are now 20% more than in 2020 and rents are increasing by 8-9% each year (since 2021). It feels like a loosing battle.

Exactly. If they lower the threshold below 50K then I will simply ensure I don't get a payrise for next few years because what's the point? Will look at alternate schemes my employer can pay into for me instead of my paycheck

Allisnotlost1 · 02/11/2025 20:32

twistyizzy · 02/11/2025 20:18

"presumably has plenty of cash in the bank" how do you presume that? A sweeping assumption? You don't know our financial situation, you are just making shit up.
Extremely arrogant and prejudiced of you FYI.

Edited

I only know what youve posted, obviously. If he’s been made redundant from a 6 figure job and is highly qualified then he will have received at least statutory redundancy. If he can afford to be looking around for lower paid jobs and you’re maintaining your lifestyle then it seems fair to presume he has money to rely on. When I was made redundant earlier this year I took work anywhere I could - sounds like he doesn’t need to do that.

SpaceRaccoon · 02/11/2025 20:32

DH and I make genuine sacrifices for his income - he works away. There would definitely be a point in terms of taxation where him being at home more would be a no-brainer; we're not enduring these absences to pay into the massive deficit when Labour are making no attempt to get a grip on spending.

LaserPumpkin · 02/11/2025 20:32

NotTerfNorCis · 02/11/2025 20:26

I earn well over that, but am fine with tax increases. State funding has to come from somewhere. I'd rather live in a kinder society than have a few extra quid. One day we might all be relying on that kindness.

Surely the clue is in your first five words, though - you earn well over that. There are people on £45k who are not going to be able to afford a lot of extra tax.

Strictlycomeparent · 02/11/2025 20:33

I agree it’s too low. But equally the average family of four has a household income of £40k. So if you alone earn £45k you are doing ‘better’ than many. The problem is that our overall levels of inequality have become vast. So we do need to tax those with houses worth £2million and those with incomes £200k plus. The middle isn’t the right place. But do have the grace to acknowledge so many families are getting by (or not, actually!) on much less than £45k per parent.

user1476613140 · 02/11/2025 20:33

lifeonmars100 · 02/11/2025 20:30

What about thickos like me who are not especially bright or talented? never earned that much , it is a fact of life that not all us can due to a multitude of factors, brains, talent, circumstances, health, connections. life chances, the economic climate...

Exactly. Plus not everyone is interested in going to uni. Many want to go right into the trades aged 16 to get earning money ASAP. Never met a poor plumber yet!

lalalapland · 02/11/2025 20:33

Allisnotlost1 · 02/11/2025 20:07

Stop catastrophising, it’s really bad for your health.

It's not catastrophising to anticipate that people stop spending on luxuries when the economy is a shit show. Or do you think the economy is in a good position currently?

BCBird · 02/11/2025 20:33

TesChique · 02/11/2025 16:05

I hit 45k in my mid 20s, alongside my first mortgage, i was not, by any stretch, wealthy. I was treading water.

I didn't hit this till nearly50- teacher for 30years. I am in a 2 bedroom starter home. No way am.i wealthy. What an absolute joke

Plantatreetoday · 02/11/2025 20:33

EasternStandard · 02/11/2025 20:27

Starmer and Reeves will be pleased you are keen.

Perhaps those who are happy to pay more ( whilst Labour do nothing about reducing expenditure and benefits )
could sign up for a different tax code voluntarily

SpaceRaccoon · 02/11/2025 20:35

I agree it’s too low. But equally the average family of four has a household income of £40k. So if you alone earn £45k you are doing ‘better’ than many.

Not really when you factor in taxes, and the tax-free allowances.

EasternStandard · 02/11/2025 20:35

Plantatreetoday · 02/11/2025 20:33

Perhaps those who are happy to pay more ( whilst Labour do nothing about reducing expenditure and benefits )
could sign up for a different tax code voluntarily

That’s a great idea. A fair few on mn.

Nolletimiere · 02/11/2025 20:36

SpaceRaccoon · 02/11/2025 20:32

DH and I make genuine sacrifices for his income - he works away. There would definitely be a point in terms of taxation where him being at home more would be a no-brainer; we're not enduring these absences to pay into the massive deficit when Labour are making no attempt to get a grip on spending.

Completely understandable.

There are real world consequences to what Reeves implemented last October, and what she is planning on 26th.

You and your DH are right to do what is best for you - many of us are doing similarly.

Julen7 · 02/11/2025 20:36

user1476613140 · 02/11/2025 20:19

DH earns no where near £45k, but we do receive various benefits including UC, CA, CB, CDPx2, SCP and my eldest gets ADP. We manage fine🤷‍♀️

I’m sure you do.

Allisnotlost1 · 02/11/2025 20:36

lalalapland · 02/11/2025 20:33

It's not catastrophising to anticipate that people stop spending on luxuries when the economy is a shit show. Or do you think the economy is in a good position currently?

I think the economy is in an awful position, but to think the government is going to gobble up the disposable income of every single person because they are likely to increase tax on higher earners is… catastrophising.

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