To think that “fatphobia” is sometimes just discomfort with the truth about health?

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Not always but sometimes. We’ve turned every health comment into oppression. When did personal responsibility become offensive?

Why are you commenting on people’s bodies? That’s creepy🤣😂 don't tell me I look good I that dress, that's creepy. Don't tell me my new foundation makes my skin glow, it's creepy. Oh and don't tell me I look 10 years younger, that's super creepy!

I’m not commenting on anyone’s individual body, that would absolutely be out of line. I’m talking about how discussions around health and weight play out socially, and why they’ve become so charged. It’s more about culture and communication, than anyone’s appearance.

Your topic is about fatphobia so i was curious that you may want to outline how healthy and svelte you were somewhere along the thread.

This makes no sense.

Creepy and messed up. Not a comment but a whole thread created to insult overweight people
a whole thread of people in denial of the genuinely concerning issue.

I agree with pp that fat people know they are fat. What I wonder about is why fatness makes people so angry. Smoking and drinking, gambling addictions cause huge health issues and general problems, but I don't see lots of post vilifying drinking and calling people who drink to excess lazy, lacking self-control and disgusting. It's framed more as a problem they need help with.

I think it comes more from the fact that (millenial and older women especially) have been conditioned from a young age that fat = disgusting and thin = attractive, so they lash out at fat people. No different to racism, really. Those who say "I'm worried about their health" - bollocks.

It’s terrifying

I'm exactly the same. I was massively overweight (lost most of it now) and my own mother would tell me I was fat. SHE WAS RIGHT! I didn't get upset, it was the truth.

Nowadays we have to pretend so many facts are wrong...

I also see a lot of people angry at people for being fat, but getting even more angry when they lose the weight or use WLM.

What do you suggest people do about it then, when they see overweight people, if we are "in denial" as we think it's not a good idea to go round insulting people?

I think you are being deliberately ridiculous. You know some fat people are living on benefits right? You know that healthy food is on the whole more expensive than unhealthy processed food? 150 pounds might be "hardly very expensive" to you. Lucky you!
Mounjaro on the nhs needs a high bmi and 4 additional weight related conditions. I only have 2 of those. It is a third line treatment for type 2 diabetes.
Wegovy is avaliable if you are referred by your doctor to a programme such as oviva tier 3 and then the wait times are a postcode lottery. I was referred in February this year and I finally have an appointment with a prescriber next week and even that is not guaranteed.

Fat people should stop being so sensitive about being called fat. It’s a fact. You’re either fat or not.

What do you suggest people do about it then, when they see overweight people, if we are "in denial" as we think it's not a good idea to go round insulting people?
Honestly, ignore people who throw insults. They are not worth your energy. Focus on accepting the need to do something about your weight, whatever the need and the solution is and then get on with it, ride the highs and lows, keep persevering. Go through it with similar warriors and surround yourself with people who think you are amazing for fighting it rather than burry your head in the sand.

So how do we approach this day to day? Going into work "Hi fatty. Still two stone overweight I see. Have you not tried mounjaro?"

Do you think people being told all the time that they are fat will help and that they don't know? Or do you just want to enjoy insulting people because of your own insecurity?

What about ugly people, or if you have really bad skin or teeth? Should they be mocked into surgery/turkey teeth?

Quite. When it affects so many people, and slim people are a minority, something has clearly happened at a society level to make it far harder to be slim.

I do wonder how long it will take AI to come up with a different style of username.

Its more like £250 pm and you would literally have to stay on it for the rest of your life as as soon as you stop the weight comes tumbling back. Not everyone is up for that solution. It needs to be a long term mental health change to lose weight IMO which a lot of people arent capable of. The stresses of life (including being belittled by unkind superior thinking type) take over and enjoyment of life/quick fixes of happiness seems more important.

Well said 💙

I was explaining how "phobia" in the words homophobia and fatphobia doesn't mean fear of. Like it does in something like acrophobia (fear of heights)

It wasn't a comparison between the two

But then I expect you did understand that and just wanted to be argumentative.

I completely agree. It appears to have been grouped together with things that people have zero control over, such as being born with diabetes, a heart condition or any other condition that you can’t take accountability for or control.

Yet in this toxic ‘be kind’ eutopia we have invented, it seems we have to pretend things are true when they aren’t. No different to the trans farce that thankfully seems to be loosing traction. It’s not kind to say she’s (he’s) not a woman, it hurts her (his) feelings.

In the same way it’s now appears to be unkind to say you need to take personal responsibility if your overweight or obese. I’ve seen posters arguing on here that being obese is because some bodies process fat differently. I really respect people that are obese but own in and say yeah I love my food and I eat too much of it.

In general, I have little sympathy for people who bring about their own situations then complain about it (I’m not taking about people being obese in particular and I’m sure that’s not the case for many). I know mamy people who put themselves in to situations and make decisions that have negative consequences, then they’re miffed as to how it happens and blame others when things go wrong and take no accountability for their own actions actions.

Its a sad sad world when 'being kind' is described as toxic 😥

Aren’t they about £150 a month? That’s hardly very expensive.

Christ what planet do some people live on?

i'm fat and totally agree.