To think that “fatphobia” is sometimes just discomfort with the truth about health?

[MeasuredOnyxSwan]

Not always but sometimes. We’ve turned every health comment into oppression. When did personal responsibility become offensive?

Overfeeding your child seems to be more acceptable than underfeeding them. Madness.

Sorry to typing in a rush. Not even sure what I meant. I’ve been both BMI 19 and 40. Even though people perceive obesity as “normalised” society still treats you like shit and yeah we all know we’re fat and the risks that brings. Trying to make out otherwise feels disingenuous. You only have to look at social media and see some of the abhorrent comments fat people get. I watched one video where one woman was at a GYM and she was still absolutely ridiculed in the comments.

You can fill your boots talking about YOUR health. Or the health of your partner or kids.
And as for no-one talks bout health anymore - if tou really think that then you must be blind, deaf and dumb.

Good point - and I hope we will see new medicines developed to help with not just weight loss but reducing the food noise. Like we saw in the 90s with the patches etc to quit smoking.

I can see how that line came across as more provocative than I intended. What I meant was that lately, any mention of personal responsibility around health tends to be interpreted as judgement or shaming, even when that’s not the intent. I probably could’ve worded it better, I do think tone really affects how people hear the message.

I think of it were truly about health then there wouldn't be such a feeling that WLI are somehow cheating.
Plenty of skinny people eat terribly, barely move etc but dont get the same judgements health concerns that fat people get.

Or kids could be told to be kind and not take the piss out of people for how they look?

why is it one or the other? Also most schools do height and weight at reception anyway so I’m sure said example parent would know.

not quite sure what your point is

No, it's people being fed up of these bullshit posts.

Skinny fat is socially acceptable. 😏

A lot more people were "concerned" for me when I was a little bit chubby than they ever were when I was anorexic, starving myself, seeing stars every time I stood up, hair falling out, no period, about to be admitted to hospital for my eating disorder. For that, it was all "well done!" and "look how fit an athletic you are now!". My favourite from my grandmother "you look like a pretty little doll now!".

You cannot judge someones health by their appearance. I was a million times healthier chubby than I was at my lowest. I was treated a million times nicer at my lowest, too, with a lot more compliments and general tone of respect when people spoke to me.

Fuck all to do with health. All to do with appearance.

The treatment and remarks against fat people, for the most part, have fuck all to do with health in general.

That includes from mothers to daughters, from husbands to wives. The recipient of the comments KNOW when it's just concern, as it's an open discussion, and they KNOW when it's people just being shitty about them not being skinny, because it's just people being shitty. Trying to make out that fat people just confuse the two (to excuse your own bigotry and desire to bully) is absolutely deluded.

Well then your post is a perfect example of how, when it comes to discussing weight, even people professing to have good intentions can't help but be goady and judgmental, which is a not-insignificant part of the problem.

I'm lucky as mounjaro is unbelievable good at doing that for me. I've lost 2st 9 on less than the standard starting dose (let alone the 5mg 'therapeutic dose'). It's given me an extreme taste sensitivity to sweet and a strong aversion to sugar. It's amazing!

You felt like starting the online version of a bar brawl? Get a better hobby

Shame on them, not the end users. Shame on governments for not regulating it all

Plenty of skinny people eat terribly, barely move etc but dont get the same judgements health concerns that fat people get

This thread is already representing why obesity has reached the problem that it is today. Turn it outwards and look for excuses. Blame everyone else but ourselves. See others ars the full culprits and ourselves as poor hopeless victims. Compare ourselves with those who those who don't face the same issue. Ie. Evolve in denial and take any reference to the concern as a personal attack.

My point was in response to posters who confused discrimination and genuine concern.

The first instance is discrimination and unacceptable. It needs to be dealt with as such. The latter is NOT discrimination. It's genuine and responsible concern and should be accepted as such!

Overweight tax payers have been supporting anorexics and bulimics health care for decades. They got no thanks for that. I have never told someone to just swallow something or just stop putting your fingers down your throat, although that would solve the problem wouldn't it? Just like telling a fat person to eat less and move more.

Nobody should be called names, bullied, or treated less favourably because of being overweight.

However, I do have an obese friend who goes swimming twice a week and smugly tells me she’s much healthier than me. I have limited mobility due to disability but am a healthy weight.

It shouldn’t piss me off but it really does!

Haha fair, it has got a bit lively 😅
I was genuinely curious how people see the overlap between health and personal responsibility, but clearly it hit a nerve!

Ah, another 3 word username spouting goady word salad with no substance.

Whats everyone having for dinner tonight?

Agree with you.
I have lived in a country where medical staff don't have to pussyfoot around issues. If you're overweight they will tell you, and they will use words like 'overweight/obese' rather than make gently namby pamby suggestions about 'making better choices'.
As for children being overweight - it's unacceptable and there are far too many cases. If a child was dangerously underweight, that would be abuse. But letting them get fat, which is also dangerous to their health and development is subject to fluffy terms like 'puppy fat'.

The recipient of the comments KNOW when it's just concern, as it's an open discussion, and they KNOW when it's people just being shitty about them not being skinny, because it's just people being shitty.
I disagree. When people feel shame, they are naturally more incline to take any comment as an attack rather than genuine concern. Ie. my example above with the teacher speaking to a mum of an overweight child.

I like how you didn’t acknowledge one bit of that post you quoted.

I have been overweight (and miserable) for my entire adult life and longer despite numerous efforts to do something.
I appreciate the people I love trying to help, gently supporting me but..
Were those builders I walked past at 15 who shouted "oi fat cow!" doing it out of concern?
What about the bloke in a night club who screamed "fat, ugly bi* h" in my face at 19 doing that out of concern?
What about the two teenage girls who walked behind me at 25 shouting "look at that fatso?"
What about the woman in the airport who told me off at age 14 for moving around on my seat (after at 5 hour delay) by saying "wobble, wobble, wobble - you're like Mrs Blobby"
What about the white van man who shouted something like "lose some weight ya fat c *t" out of his window.
All of them were doing it out of concern were they? They weren't doing it to be nasty and cause upset at all?
I can 100% tell you that random strangers causing shame and embarrassment have not helped me lose weight
Thank God for Mounjaro!9

Proving the OP’s point with the very first reply!

It hit a nerve because you chose a provocative and inflammatory way to express yourself. No doubt you'll see this as proof that all fat people are touchy and easily offended, but the reality is you posted like an arsehole and the responses are pitched accordingly.