Why do Labour not get it?

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It's being reported today that Labour want to stop using hotels and move migrants into barracks. Fine. But when quizzed on it Luke Pollard has suggested this will be more expensive, but the public want the hotels to close at all costs so it will be worth it.

This to me just seems like another step forward for Reform. The public who care about this, care about how much the government is spending on migrant housing. A new policy that costs more isn't going to go anyway towards solving this problem.

I don't know what the solution is, but spending more money getting mothballed barracks up to spec seems ludicrous.

"Asked about whether it would cost more to house migrants at military bases than in hotels, Mr Pollard insisted that 'the public want to see those hotels close'.

But he added: 'We're looking at what's possible and, in some cases, those bases may be a different cost to hotels, but I think we need to reflect the public mood on this asylum hotels need to close.'"

I haven't called anyone a racist.
My point is that we don't know the criminal background or history of 99% of people we interact with every day. We also know that the vast majority of asylum seekers are not criminals. So why would we lock them all up because a small proportion have committed a crime, when we wouldn't do that with any other group?

https://www.counterfire.org/article/migrants-in-hotels-the-facts-not-the-myths/
Migrants in Hotels. The Facts, Not the Myths

Do you include women and children in this?

I was just looking through some old photos and there were a few of me and my husband with my sister, BIL and little niece and nephew at the Christmas market in the town in Germany where I’m originally from, back in 2013 (I now live in the UK).

There have been several towns and cities that have cancelled their markets for this year.

I am so fucking sick of all this shit.

Maybe that would be better than whats happening now, I don't know really.

Starmer is the problem.

Is it short vs long term costs?

The initially short term the barraks will need doing up and serious money being spent - long term government owns the land so long term the running costs are less?

I don't think this is an issue that will have any kind of quick resolution regardlesss of who is in power.

Hotels - spread the people around but is widley unpopular - barraks well larger numbers could be worse for areas affected.

Ideally I'd what is a legal means of immigration in/near problem parts of the world, a serious crack down on the criminal gangs involved in the small boat and a much quicker efficient asylum system all round - so those who can stay get process quickly and get working and paying tax and use any skills they have - and rest get deported very quickly. All of which would take money and serious poltical will.

I think it would be better if all the political parties stopped pretending this is a short term fixable problem they can sort and actually level with UK public - this is the reality this is how the world is - so we need to stump up the cash and get processes in so we get as much benefit and incur as litttle damage as possibe and get an efficent and quick process in place.

All of this

Is he?

https://freemovement.org.uk/briefing-the-sorry-state-of-the-uk-asylum-system/

Cushy hotels? Don’t make me laugh. Our local asylum seeker hotel was previously a laughing stock due to the poor nature of its reviews. Non existent heating in winter. Black mould. Ill fitting windows. It certainly wasn’t deemed good enough to stay in for a few days break, let alone years whilst awaiting the legal process to do its thing.

If you think people are removing themselves voluntarily from a multitude of countries around the world to sit in a hotel in England with no right to work and a few quit a week in their pockets you are very much mistaken. Educate yourself. Think. Just a little bit.

Exactly. They are warm, safe and fed. A lot more than some.

So you'll be happy for the barracks to be used then?

We have Sarah's Law, also anyone convicted of a sexually related offence is subject to an order where they must notify police of their address.

So yes, there is information available.

As for locked up, I don't know, sometimes I think the twat who plays Heart Radio in their garden ought to be, but that's a story for another day.

I understand that.

However, I’m afraid that just because technically they become an asylum seeker when they claim asylum, doesn’t for quite a lot of us suddenly make us forget how they came to the country.

As far as I’m concerned, I don’t trust people who pay people smugglers thousands to enter a country illegally.

I think that the news has done an incredible job on the "stop the boats" campaign, distracting people from actual issues with the UK economy.

The spend on Migrants is minimal in the grand scheme of the budget. Last year the cost was £2.8 billion, compared health £193.3 billion, education £89.2 billion and defence £37.6 billion.

I feel so unbelievably sorry for anybody who is desperate enough to cross the English channel on a dingy. The rhetoric that they're all living it up in hotels is so unbelievably inaccurate.

Also, nobody seems to realise the increase in the amount of boats arriving is directly related to Brexit. So not only did Farage LIE to the entire country during the Brexit campaign about the benefits of leaving the EU, all that happened was that things got much much worse, while simultaneously using the sh!t storm as fodder for his new Reform Campaign.

Streamers who visit them and then get arrested

And I respect that opinion.
I feel that people who were living in such a desperate situation that paying a people smuggler thousands of pounds and risking your life to get to the UK should be treated with compassion and care, not criminalised. Not to mention those who were trafficked.

But it's not always desperation is it? The Epping resident who was accidently released is very very keen to be deported. Can't be that bad. Many of these hotel occupants are people who have come from countries like Egypt - there's no war or genocide there as far as I know, it is a holiday destination. Absolutely I believe there should be refuge and safe passage for people who need it, but let's not pretend a proportion of these people are not opportunists or adventurers. Particularly the young males with no women or children, if conditions in their home countries are that appalling and the most vulnerable are left behind in them, then why is your argument not that we need to intervene in these countries. To say that conditions are so intolerable and inhumane that we need to accept unlimited migration from them is an argument for empire.

The problem with that take is that, if we detain illegal migrants in barracks until we establish their identity, then it harms no one. If the migrants don’t like that treatment then they can choose to go home or not come here in the first instance. I’m not advocating for poor treatment whilst detained. Food, water, warmth all included.

But, when we do it your way, people especially women and girls are the people who pay the price. Even if it’s just a handful of those migrants carrying out heinous crimes, actual, innocent people, sometimes children, suffer.

You mean the far-right, self styled "migrant auditors".

https://www.cps.gov.uk/cps/news/updated-man-convicted-distributing-recording-intending-stir-racial-hatred

I think the hotels were pretty basic, it sounds like they are going to install mobile homes (or holiday camp type chalets) on the bases, most of the existing accommodation hasn't been used for years and won't be suitable, they will also have to install catering, etc. And of course a local enquiry at each location, where everyone will say they don't want it, more protests, just in different places! Not a solution just moving the problem at even greater expense. And they will still have to honour the contracts with the hotels for however many years rent and pay to undo all the modifications that were done to turn them into hostel like accommodation and then redecorate throughout, all part of the contract.

To be fair it is very easy to say you wouldn't the same in their position from a safe place.

People don't risk their lives for fun.

For the majority of refugees the only way to reach the UK is by small boat, they can't claim asylum until they are on UK soil.

And the majority of refugees stay close to their home country.

For those that are saying this is Starmer’s/Labour’s fault (ok then… no comment), what do you think is the magic solution that Nigel will ride in on his horse and fix the issue with, genuinely?

• shoot all asylum seekers at dawn? No comment
• put them in concentration camps (pretty sure auschwitz etc must have cost a substantial amount of tax payers funds…)
• return them - where? How? Also see tories c2023
• make country less attractive to immigrants by reducing benefits (pretty sure those benefit claiming reform voters will love this one)
• leave the ECHR - sure, so sensible to alienate most of our trading partners and the majority of the electorate, and put our human rights into the hands of fascist maniac, but you do you
• rejoin the EU? (erm…)

Do you think he has a workable plan?

‘All this shit’ is going to only get worse as climate change ramps up and we see mass migration globally.

I honestly believe we will get to a point where we will be letting people drown.

Not wandering around?!
OUTRAGEOUS behaviour!