Why do Labour not get it?

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It's being reported today that Labour want to stop using hotels and move migrants into barracks. Fine. But when quizzed on it Luke Pollard has suggested this will be more expensive, but the public want the hotels to close at all costs so it will be worth it.

This to me just seems like another step forward for Reform. The public who care about this, care about how much the government is spending on migrant housing. A new policy that costs more isn't going to go anyway towards solving this problem.

I don't know what the solution is, but spending more money getting mothballed barracks up to spec seems ludicrous.

"Asked about whether it would cost more to house migrants at military bases than in hotels, Mr Pollard insisted that 'the public want to see those hotels close'.

But he added: 'We're looking at what's possible and, in some cases, those bases may be a different cost to hotels, but I think we need to reflect the public mood on this asylum hotels need to close.'"

a bit Contentious but our judeo/christian heritage does play a part imo

The problem is that "the public" is thick as pigshit. The "hotels" the refugees have been staying at are not luxurious, they are in very basic accommodation. A room that was a double back when the hotel was being run as a hotel has 3 or 4 unrelated eefugees in it living a horrible experience. If other soutions would be more expensive then they should stick with using hotels and combat the evil misinformation that is being put about by racists and fascists who want to blame genuine refugees for all the world's ills.

@FenceBooksCycle cry me a river. Plenty of times I’ve slept four to a room.

@FenceBooksCycle cry me a river. Plenty of times I’ve slept four to a room.

I’d be equally concerned if they were brown skinned male asylum seekers as young male military personnel. Males are the common denominator of threat to women and girls.

Particularly when they’ve been raised in societies where men are free to do whatever they like with women…

We should offer money to say, Rwanda, to take them.

You misunderstand. Few societies sanction men being free to do whatever they like with women. It doesn’t work like that.

Perhaps Afghanistan under Taliban rule. But even so, Afghan men in the UK who express an opinion are horrified by the regime. Obviously, to express dissent whilst still in their home country puts their life at risk.

There are bad apples in any society. So yes, some refugees will be criminals. The trauma of war and being forced to flee, leaving all semblance of normal life behind, can distort some people’s minds too.

But equally, some white British nationals will also be criminals. One third of British men have a criminal record. 78% of violent crimes are committed by men.

@MaturingCheeseball you miss the point. Did you consider that you were being kept in "5 star luxury" when you were sharing 4 to a room with total strangers with no privacy, no personal space or secure place for whatever belongings you had, no access to cooking facilities and barely adequate washing facilities. It's illegal for them to work to earn their living, so either they get kept alive at the taxpayers expense (and the hotel accommodation is basic, not luxurious) until their status can be determined, or they are expected to starve and die. The people who prefer the latter are disgusting. I wasn't asking that they get more or better treatment, just that the evil protesters stop complaining that we as a civilisation are treating fellow humans with humanity rather than killing them.

No I haven’t misunderstood anything. A barracks full of men raised in a society that frowns upon men sexually harassing women and outlaws sexual assault aren’t going to pose anywhere near as much of a risk (although not zero risk, obviously) than a barracks full of men raised in society where women are second class citizens and abuse, sexual harassment and assault against women are quite accepted by the populace.

@FenceBooksCycle they are lucky they are in a room - shared or otherwise.

No one gives a fig that they have to bunk up…no other country is a soft touch like us.

In France they are given tents in fields and tents in large metal hangers all piled up. So they are on a winner coming here no longer in a tent.

No one is buying the sob stories.

Of course they are a danger take a look at the list of the countries they originate from …☹️.

Hopefully the next govt be it Reform or Conservative as it won’t be Labour deport those already here. That is the mood music now …

Have you ever met an asylum seeker? Spoken to one? Spent time with them?

I don't believe asylum seekers are being held in luxurious accommodation. Even if the hotels were previously quite decent, they will presumably be well over their previous capacity. I'm sure at least a proportion of people in them are in genuine need and have fled persecution.
What I also think is:

• We are not in a good place either economically or socially at the moment. There is a sense (and a reality) of decline and increasing division.
• The men in these hotels are statistically a much greater risk to public safety than the average man.
• There is absolutely no world in which I would think the types of crime we are seeing are acceptable collateral damage for taking in large numbers of non-citizens, regardless of their backstory.
• People routinely underestimate the differences between cultures and the results of that. They seem to do so no matter how frequent, predictable and obvious these results are. You can't argue with stupid, but the reality is these people are promoting and defending a situation which makes primarily working class people, at the sharp end, less safe and more disenfranchised, and then calling them racists and liars, which is despicable.
• The government have a primary duty towards their own people, and that's all I have to say about that.
• I'm not a Labour supporter at all, but the problem is not primarily of their making, and I do think they're genuinely trying to get to grips with it.

@CorneliaCupp yes I have actually as we had to ask them not to take a pxxx in our garden; we have a group living nearby and the are causing no end of mayhem.

What is next they break in to our home as happened to a woman in Canary Wharf a few months back.

Seriously I cannot get my head around this - why are you putting our own way of life and our safety at risk for a group of unvetted, unknown men it beggars belief.....is it a case of Stockholm Syndrome or something.

You keep defending them saying oh it is okay they mean no harm - we do not know that and what I've seen first hand it is the polar opposite they are shoplifting, anti social behaviour and unsavoury to put it mildly.

I won't reply to you any longer as I've seen your posts on this thread to others and it appears you are on a wind up so no point in engaging with you and we will never agree.

Last year DH and I had a weekend city break at a lovely 4* hotel cancelled as it has become an asylum seekers residence. It has a pool and spa and beautiful gardens.

I'm not complaining about this (I'm actually not against asylum) but please don't try and gaslight the public into believing that all asylum seekers are housed in 2* hovels.

You do realise that they won't have access to the pool and spa and that the double room you were going to share with your DH will be a lot less comfy when it contains 4 unrelated people on put-u-up beds, dormitory-style. They are not getting the lovely high quality bedding either. The only bit of "luxury" that will remain from.the experience you would have had is that the wallpaper won't be changed.

I'm not on the wind up, I am totally genuine.
If you have seen my previous point then you will know that I have advocated for the safety of women at all points.
The vast majority of asylum seekers are no threat to you or anyone. Some are, but not all.
That is why I object to your framing of all asylum seekers as dangerous, it's simply not true.
I can understand you being angry and afraid, I can't understand your prejudice against all asylum seekers.

It's still "luxury" compared to living in a tent! It'll have heating, toilets/shower, meals cooked for you etc.

At the hotel in The Barbican the staff including chefs were retained, and the asylum seekers there were eating steaks, wide range of expensive fruits etc etc.

They do not need cooking facilities when they get three meals a day. And don’t give me “cultural food preferences” - f**k that. If you are “fleeing for your life”, as we are repeatedly told, are you really going to kick up a fuss about the fare on offer?

I couldn’t agree more

why is the government trying to bankrupt the UK with all this nonsense

I think it's for a few reasons:

• Their hands are tied
• Ideology
• Their deluded ideas about their voter base.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15246611/amp/Small-boat-asylum-seeker-grabbed-woman-nightclub-marched-rape-alleyway-faces-years-jail.html

Horrendous.

Exactly!