Why do Labour not get it?

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It's being reported today that Labour want to stop using hotels and move migrants into barracks. Fine. But when quizzed on it Luke Pollard has suggested this will be more expensive, but the public want the hotels to close at all costs so it will be worth it.

This to me just seems like another step forward for Reform. The public who care about this, care about how much the government is spending on migrant housing. A new policy that costs more isn't going to go anyway towards solving this problem.

I don't know what the solution is, but spending more money getting mothballed barracks up to spec seems ludicrous.

"Asked about whether it would cost more to house migrants at military bases than in hotels, Mr Pollard insisted that 'the public want to see those hotels close'.

But he added: 'We're looking at what's possible and, in some cases, those bases may be a different cost to hotels, but I think we need to reflect the public mood on this asylum hotels need to close.'"

A couple of years ago I read something online (I honestly can’t remember where) that basically said that France is a few years ahead of Germany when it comes to all the immigration problems/ attacks and the UK is a few years behind Germany.

It’s starting to ring true.

I feel like posting a list of names of everyone who has been killed in Germany in the name of open borders (we’ll leave out the sexual assaults and rapes, just the murders for now).

And before the do gooders jump in again with their usual tripe:

YES, WE KNOW THAT GERMAN/ BRITISH/ ITALIAN/ AMERICAN (repeat ad nauseam) MEN ABUSE, RAPE AND KILL.

NOBODY IS DENYING THAT.
DOES THIS MEAN THOUGH THAT WE NEED TO ADD TO THE PROBLEM BY LETTING ALL AND SUNDRY IN??

OR LIKE THE GERMAN GUY SAID WHEN HE MADE A COMMENT ONLINE ABOUT THE 16 YEAR OLD BOY WHO WAS STABBED TO DEATH IN A SUPERMARKET BY YET ANOTHER ‘VULNERABLE’ MEMBER OF SOCIETY

’It never used to be customary to do your weekly shop in Germany while carrying a knife’

And yes, I know I’ve been shouting and it’s not correct netiquette but I am so so angry.

Yes I think so

People who "should be here" in your opinion still murder and rape others. British people still make each others lives a misery.

Again, the media have done an excellent job of highly reporting any and every crime committed by migrants to stir the hatred up. The vast majority of them want a better life for themselves and their family, and want to get by without any trouble. Just because a small number of migrants are violent opportunists, it does not make them all criminals.

Also, you haven't done something special to earn your spot in the UK, it is literally luck of the draw. Just because you were fortunate enough to be born in a safe country it doesn't make you any more entitled to a safe life. We are all humans at the end of the day, sharing a rock floating through space.

"Did Brexit cause the boats arriving in Greece too?" - Well the amount of people displaced or forced out of their own country due to politics / war / laws has grown massively over the past 5 years, so everywhere is seeing more boats. I think you need to read up on the impact Brexit had on the numbers we're seeing, as leaving the EU means we left the members state "shared responsibility for asylum seekers". Since Brexit the EU has no shared responsibility with us, so they aren't trying as hard to stop them crossing the channel, as it is no longer their responsibility.

I don’t want to be in the UK personally. I’d like to be living in Florida. But unfortunately (for me) I was born here and not there…so I can’t just get up and move, despite the fact those Floridians did nothing special to be born there.

You are advocating for open borders and that’s dangerous. We live where we live and for some of us it’s tough shit.

Being born somewhere relatively safe does not mean that we owe it to the rest of the world to accommodate them and pay the price of becoming less safe because that’s perceived as fairer by certain sections of society.

You're talking about a single case there with the Epping resident - who knows what their circumstances or reasoning was.

"Can't be that bad. Many of these hotel occupants are people who have come from countries like Egypt - there's no war or genocide there as far as I know, it is a holiday destination"
I mean you're right, people do go on holiday to Egypt because of the amazing history, but it Is also a Islamic country so there are still rules and laws that can impose risks on residents, such as homosexuality being illegal, and the views on women being inferior to men and not allowed as much freedom. Just because it's a holiday destination doesn't automatically mean it's a safe country to live in, look at South America!

Also with climate change a lot of these places are getting much hotter, and harder to survive in, there doesn't need to be war or genocide for a country to be uninhabitable or unsafe.

What about the women and girls sexually harassed and assaulted by large groups of men from deeply misogynistic societies? The women and girls who are no longer safe to walk alone where they live. Is that acceptable because some British men also harass and assault women?

It’s sickening isn’t it.

They don’t matter. It’s ‘asylum seekers’ above all else. And I’ve put asylum seekers in inverted commas because I don’t believe for a second that many of them are genuinely seeking asylum.

Same. The left have lost the plot.

I have never felt unsafe in Scotland despite many migrants in my town but these are men with families who work dambed hard often with 2 jobs to build a life.
Daytime in central Glasgow a few weeks ago - gangs of men standing around outside "hotels" harrasing any female who walked past.
I can't bear to think what a lovely wee place like Inverness is going to be like with hundreds of single men allowed to roam free any time they like.

I am not trying to excuse everyone here.

Nor am I saying that sexual assault and harassment is OK because is is NEVER OK so please don't put words in my mouth. Misogyny is a huge issue in a lot of cultures, the UK included.

I only wanted to voice an opinion on this thread that not all migrants are criminal, abusive, misogynistic opportunists coming to the UK for an "easy life" in a hotel.

I also wanted to voice that the media have done an excellent job of convincing everyone that migrants are the key problem with the economy, when it simply isn't the case.

These “asylum seekers” come from Afghanistan , Sudan, Iran, Iraq, Syria all countries that treat women like third class if that …..it’s deeply concerning and unsafe!

Those cultures are not compatible with here.

It is deeply scary times and we are importing swathes of unchecked unknowns…in huge numbers. In fact one is too many but we have thousands and thousands…

"I don’t want to be in the UK personally. I’d like to be living in Florida. But unfortunately (for me) I was born here and not there…so I can’t just get up and move, despite the fact those Floridians did nothing special to be born there."

Not to be rude but what you're saying is in no way comparable! You could move to Florida if you wanted to. You speak the same language, you could apply for a Visa, your life isn't in danger living in the UK, you are not in poverty.

Some of these people have tried to apply for asylum the right way, the home office simply don't have the man power to process the applications and the back log is insane. These people feel like they have no choice but to come here illegally, as if they stay where they are their lives are at risk.

I am not advocating for open borders.

"Being born somewhere relatively safe does not mean that we owe it to the rest of the world to accommodate them and pay the price of becoming less safe because that’s perceived as fairer by certain sections of society."
I see what you're saying, but at the same time I do think that we have a responsibility to help others less fortunate than us. I just wish people were more kind, and viewed them as human beings in need.

It’s the same old bollocks trotted out every time though, isn’t it? British men also do these things so we should have no problem accepting hundreds more of these types of men on a daily basis.
The UK definitely doesn’t have a culture of finding the sexual harassment and assault of women acceptable, by the way. Unlike the countries many of these men are coming from.

Definitely not what I was saying at all. Of course there is a massive issue here in terms of misogyny and cultural differences - and I agree that any form of sexual harassment is disgraceful. I get that lots of these countries have very misogynistic views and that is a huge issues in terms of integration.

I am literally trying to point out that not everyone coming to the UK on a boat is a misogynistic opportunist, some are innocent people wanting a safe life.

Some are. And a large number are not. And we can’t know which ones aren’t until they are here, wandering our streets.

Agree fully. Asylum seekers are not all one thing.

So we risk our own safety and our children’s safety on the back of oh there are a few good eggs on these boats.

No thank you.

Not buying it whatsoever…they came through France and other safe counters so no need to come here they were in a safe country . They come for the lure of benefits housing, food, free nhs, free dental etc and we don’t deport them so they take their chances.

Sick to death as are most people of hearing the sob stories - that ship has sailed.

I care about walking down the street and not being leered at I don’t want that …it is frightening times right now.

I'm sure you're a lovely person. But it's a real problem that so many lovely women have had their compassion manipulated into putting the safety of random men before their own and- more importantly- the safety of the other women and girls in the country. It's called suicidal empathy. But it really time for the rest of us to say- no, actually, our safety is important. And we insist that it is prioritized.

Yes, the woman who bravely stands for the female victims of male violence. Except when it's inconvenient, of course.

👏

Of course the safety of women should be paramount, I don't disagree. All I am saying is that the majority of asylum seekers are not a risk to women.

How many “bad eggs” in a batch is acceptable collateral in the pursuit of “being kind”? Out of 1000 men - “asylum seekers” if you will - would that be 5, 10, 50?

There has been huge trouble in Bournemouth. Groups of men intimidating locals (men and women), carrying weapons, leering at girls… Not to mention chasing hotel staff with knives. In fact I know for a fact that the local courts can’t cope with the volume of cases and are having to ship cases further out.

It really seems as if rather more than a few of these incoming men are criminally-minded. They may be “human beings” but not human beings who should be wandering the streets.

I don't think that asylum seekers commute crimes at a higher rate than the general public do they?