Why do Labour not get it?

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It's being reported today that Labour want to stop using hotels and move migrants into barracks. Fine. But when quizzed on it Luke Pollard has suggested this will be more expensive, but the public want the hotels to close at all costs so it will be worth it.

This to me just seems like another step forward for Reform. The public who care about this, care about how much the government is spending on migrant housing. A new policy that costs more isn't going to go anyway towards solving this problem.

I don't know what the solution is, but spending more money getting mothballed barracks up to spec seems ludicrous.

"Asked about whether it would cost more to house migrants at military bases than in hotels, Mr Pollard insisted that 'the public want to see those hotels close'.

But he added: 'We're looking at what's possible and, in some cases, those bases may be a different cost to hotels, but I think we need to reflect the public mood on this asylum hotels need to close.'"

There are some big problems with asylum and a huge one is some very biased panels and judges.

One barrister at a chambers representing asylum seekers was also the presiding judge on appeals. So quite neutral, then

Another judge ruled that family is not necessarily limited to blood relations in some cultures, thereby ruling that some bloke could bring over 20 friends and family.

Some extremely unpleasant individuals have been represented by Garden Court Chambers, who seem to relish keeping dangerous individuals in this country.

He entered on a lorry and was granted asylukm in 2020 from Afghanistan.

No, it doesn’t hold more weight. It’s just another one-sided viewpoint.

I believe immigration lawyers work hard. They work hard to keep illegal migrants in the country, even after many failed asylum applications.

They work hard to be paid as much as possible by the British taxpayer.

I would really be interested in seeing how much they cared or how hard they would work, if the migrants had to pay for themselves and legal aid was unavailable. (Which I think it should be).

The whole system needs a root and branch over haul .

Im not questioning why people arrive on small boats, that and the reasons why, i understand. Its not a journey I would ever want to have to make.

It was a question as to why the current and previous governments, havent made it illegal for people to claim asylum who arrive via lorry or small boat a blanket ban on claiming asylum. Cant they give safe, reasonable legal ways to claim before arriving?

Reforms one trick pony is "stop the boats". A way to stop the boats, but give people safe and legal means for asylum.

Posts on here are obviously going to be coming from people with different experiences. All of which are valid, but I’m pointing out that in my experience, there is very little integration. Maybe some ‘forced’ integration where people from different racial backgrounds are placed in social housing together, but even then often cultural differences are too great for people to mix, whether they live next door to each other or not. It’s a lovely idea to think people are accepting of differences in the way we live and different religions/beliefs, but generally it just doesn’t work I’m afraid.

The problem with this approach is that you would not be able to meet the demand. It’d cause such an increase in movement to wherever the claims are processed and you’d either need to accept very high numbers who meet the criteria, or you’d have to cap it.

If you do the latter under international law people could still arrive to be processed.

It’s irrelevant. Just because we have our own horrible criminals doesn’t mean we should have to take in those from other countries as well. One murder or rape by a person who really shouldn’t be here, is one too many.

Ah, i see, thank you. I wondered after i read about the recent stabbing in London, the man arrested was granted asylum after arriving on a lorry.

Agree with this.

It’s not still the case. People are granted asylum.

It’s quite reassuring that with another 4 years until a general election, people are speaking up more than ever. Voices are louder than ever. People are no longer silenced by ridiculous accusations of being racist.

Fangisnotacoward · Today 10:50
Genuine question, because it seems like a simple solution do there must be a reason why its not been done

I don’t think Labour has much desire to stop asylum seekers arriving. It’s not so much that they care about them, it’s more that they know Tory voters dislike unchecked waves of immigration and that’s enough.
My enemy’s enemy is my friend.

That will have been written by an group that advocates for asylum seekers.

Ha just read your post and already thought exactly the same written by a pro asylum group/labour council.

Well it’s one of the biggest reasons they are going to lose the next GE so they ought to care a bit.

Oh I think posters are making their own minds up about you and putting out biased information.

I think, and I am NO Labour supporter that the Barracks thing is excellent. If they are processed there and not allowed into general society until we know who they are then it can only be good. As a safety issue alone its worth every penny. We need to reclaim our streets and stop being a third world trough for all and sundry.

People won’t be held there, they are free to come and go into the town or area.

The firm I worked for took on private work, too, so I have no doubt they would have worked equally hard if there had been no legal aid involved.

Obviously I can only speak for the firm I worked for, and that was over 20 years ago. So I have no recent experience of immigration firms.

But I have more recently worked for a charity that helps women asylum seekers from Afghanistan and Iran, so I know they don’t have it easy.

What about the safety of the British people "when you are considering the countries these people are coming from"?

The letter could also have been written by the Refugee Council or another charity supporting refugees (of which there are plenty).

One man who shouldn't have been in our country.

If they won’t be held in the barracks then it’s a very scary prospect for the locals and their communities.

A Crowborough resident was interviewed yesterday an elderly man and he was very vocal that it is tiny village and the residents are scared stiff.

I would hope that containment is part of the solution, but I doubt it - once the human rights lawyers get involved it will be just like the failed ship solution. It’s a good idea though - the hotels chuck them out on the street after breakfast and they’ve nowhere to go at the moment, hence the antisocial behaviour.
Labour need to think through a solution that will keep them contained while teaching them about our language, law and culture and not just dump them with no rules for what they should do while they are preparing themselves for their immigration assessments…