Why do Labour not get it?

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It's being reported today that Labour want to stop using hotels and move migrants into barracks. Fine. But when quizzed on it Luke Pollard has suggested this will be more expensive, but the public want the hotels to close at all costs so it will be worth it.

This to me just seems like another step forward for Reform. The public who care about this, care about how much the government is spending on migrant housing. A new policy that costs more isn't going to go anyway towards solving this problem.

I don't know what the solution is, but spending more money getting mothballed barracks up to spec seems ludicrous.

"Asked about whether it would cost more to house migrants at military bases than in hotels, Mr Pollard insisted that 'the public want to see those hotels close'.

But he added: 'We're looking at what's possible and, in some cases, those bases may be a different cost to hotels, but I think we need to reflect the public mood on this asylum hotels need to close.'"

There should be NO reason at all that they should be allowed to roam freely ..they are NOT British citizens they should be confined until all checks are done and deported there and then or granted asylum. Freedom is not automatic as they arrived illegally in the first place.

Rhiannon Whyte's family, who made that statement, have made it clear they don't want her murder to be used to stir up anti-immigration sentiment. I think we should respect that.

It would be a huge issue as the vast majority will stay.

Government figures. 4% of people arriving on a small boat have been returned.

An amount that means we might as well not bother with a process at all. Give them a grand as they get off the boat and bid them good luck and save the whole expensive charade.

The only worthwhile immigration policy is stopping them coming (Rwanda etc) as once they are here they are going no where and all the "processing" us just paying people to shuffle papers for months or years before rubber stamping them- a complete waste of time and money.

It doesn’t work for YOU in your experience.

Mine is the exact opposite.

You see living in diverse neighbourhoods as being “forced” to do so. Others seek it out deliberately.

I feel desperately sorry for people murdered/raped and having their lives made worse by people that shouldn't be here.

Did Brexit cause the boats arriving in Greece too?

@jeremyclarksonsthirdnipple quite but if we are having to put them up in hotels and barracks /taking ages to process them ,I'd also suggest we are taking too many in the first place.

So how do we reduce numbers

@CorneliaCupp Do you ever read the news?
I despair at your faux naivety.

They will be, hence the concerns being raised by people close by.

Heck even on mn there isn’t anyone who has said yes I’m ok with the barracks near to me.

No one wants this in their own area, Labour will struggle even more.

Btw checks aren’t always definitive, the recent sad death of the dog walker was after checks.

It absolutely should

I don’t think it was ever answered what the ‘robust checks’ are that are done to asylum seekers once they get into the country. A PP talked about it and I’ve heard a government minister mention them but she then could t tell the interviewer what it entailed. If someone is undocumented then what checks can they do?

Tbh I’m not convinced the boat situation will be solved until we have a policy that no one who comes illegally will be allowed to stay here.

There should be controlled legal routes for the most vulnerable, but we shouldn’t be prioritising people who pay thousands to smugglers and can travel across continents.

People will continue to try as long as there’s a good chance they will be able to remain in the U.K.

Yep, I do. Maybe use facts to dispute my point rather than suggesting I'm uninformed?

@Winter2020 I agree . People here have plenty of their own problems and strains on life to deal with without the added stress of many men suddenly in the area hanging around .

We have a hotel in our vicinity and as far as I'm aware we have not had any trouble or problems with men hanging around. It's out of the town bit we don't have issues on sm .
Which is obviously very good /lucky.

Think the checks a bit hush hush - wonder why.

Thing is, most of these people will have been documented already in Europe. Don't they now get fingerprinted when they initially come into Europe?? Also many of them have already spent years trying one, or two, three, other countries, all being denied asylum, and eventually end up at the end of line ie: England or increasingly Ireland, as the furthest West they can get. So where is all the paperwork for all of them, I assume since Brexit, we no longer have access to that??

The public doesn't want facts - the Gov are right, the public don't want asylum seekers in "luxury" hotels - it's poor optics and unfortunately it's not facts that matter.

It doesn’t much any difference. If it did ROI wouldn’t be facing the same issues.

People pass through EU countries to get here, they’re not on databases.

And those databases don’t stop people claiming in ROI or committing crimes in Germany, France or wherever.

I honesty have no idea. I remember years back it being said that the government no longer had the right to check teeth as a marker of age, so we still have the problem of not knowing the age of these men. Most will claim to be minors where possible which makes it even more complicated.

Also if we have no idea of the country of origin where are the planes taking them when they are deported ? I know we have an agreement with France to take some back, are we just relying on that?

The point is that they are coming from France so hardly fleeing for their lives. So melodramatic.

Exactly. They’ve tried using disused barracks before and they had to stop for all sorts of reasons. But this is about optics, not a better solution. The most important thing they’ve done is expedited the turnaround for assessing cases. That’s the real problem and they are doing something about it.

But, it’s unpopular to point out anything good Labour are doing so that part will go largely unnoticed.

As has been said ad infinitum, they do not have to stay in France, and are free to claim asylum in any country they choose. The vast majority do so in the neighbouring country.

I agree and we are supposed to be welling up that they have to choose between rice or chips each day.

Stop the money would be a good start. Acommodate in barracks, fed 3 times a day, with an initial medical,no phones,no money,then deport. You cannot survive to house yourself or have a job in place then you cannot make it in the UK and you have to go. No other country fannies about like we do. Being a nation of do gooders has got us absolutely nowhere.

I'm in one of the towns affected and it's already been stated they won't be held there the whole time they will be able to come and go