Why do Labour not get it?

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It's being reported today that Labour want to stop using hotels and move migrants into barracks. Fine. But when quizzed on it Luke Pollard has suggested this will be more expensive, but the public want the hotels to close at all costs so it will be worth it.

This to me just seems like another step forward for Reform. The public who care about this, care about how much the government is spending on migrant housing. A new policy that costs more isn't going to go anyway towards solving this problem.

I don't know what the solution is, but spending more money getting mothballed barracks up to spec seems ludicrous.

"Asked about whether it would cost more to house migrants at military bases than in hotels, Mr Pollard insisted that 'the public want to see those hotels close'.

But he added: 'We're looking at what's possible and, in some cases, those bases may be a different cost to hotels, but I think we need to reflect the public mood on this asylum hotels need to close.'"

I worked for an immigration law firm as a legal secretary during the early 2000s before moving away when I got married. They were anything but ‘parasites’, they worked very long hours and it was very stressful. (I actually loved it.)

You might not agree with what they’re doing but asylum seekers have the right to legal representation. Like criminals do, are criminal defence lawyers also ‘parasites’?

Letters aside I haven’t seen many posts saying they’d welcome barracks nearby.

Would pp on here want them in their town or area?

Likewise ! 🙂

All I can see is you is being obtuse and argumentative on repeat with various posters...it is pretty much rinse and repeat.

You then post an "article" but don't check the source of who wrote it....or don't disclose that it was written by immigration lawyers...hmmm.

This post just seems like a way of dismissing the letter to that you don't need to engage with it's content.
Have you ever met and had a conversation with an asylum seeker?

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As is often reiterated on this thread, we are all entitled to our own opinion.

@EasternStandard sorry, edited as replied to you by mistake.

Would you not agree that the opinion of someone who has worked with immigration lawyers holds more weight than someone who gets their information from the media?

No worries. I haven’t seen anyone put their hand up for barracks nearby, why is that I wonder

I was raised in diverse areas (low income ones to boot). I live in a diverse area. Almost all my friends and family live in diverse areas.

Most people I know seek out areas with a healthy ethnic mix and I know of people who feel safer in more ethnically diverse areas, people who want their kids to go to schools with a good mix of backgrounds (some have even posted to this board seeking that).

(I even know some people who are too scared to leave London because they are “scared” of a lack of diversity in the rest of the UK - I do think this is bonkers though).

It’s really a very very very tired trope that those who are not bothered by immigration or diverse communities have no experience of either.

How many second and third gen educated children and grandchildren of migrants even choose to live in these diverse areas. - If you knew any you would know - loads do.

This is nonsense.

I wouldn't want to live near one of these barracks no, but not because it houses asylum seekers, because it houses men! Any large group of young men with nothing to do for extended periods of time would not make great neighbours.

Thanks for answering. No I wouldn’t either. I’m not surprised Labour is facing backlash on this.

No one will want this nearby.

You have no idea where I get my information from.

Neither did I claim to.

You live in London. Totally different dynamic to the rest of the country. I live in a city in the North, where people from different communities absolutely do not integrate. In fact, where I live, it’s all about post codes. Someone will ask what your post code is, and the post code divulges the racial mix of who lives there - no-one steps out of their ‘bubble’, and no other community will move into that ‘bubble’. No intergration at all. I won’t describe your opinion as ‘nonsense’ because whilst I lived in London many years ago, I’ve no idea if people there live altogether in harmony. Just like you probably have no idea of what goes on in other parts of the UK

Which aspects of diversity do you advocate for? FGM? Forced marriages? Honour based violence?

Oh I just noticed this. My family is incredible diverse given how much us are in interracial partnerships / marriage. At the next family gathering I should announce that we now need to advocate for FGM, forced marriage and honour based violence.

Those are the diversity roles.

I live in London NOW. I am from the Midlands and studied up North.

To repeat what you said was nonsense as you spoke in absolutes. Just as you say my experience is not true for everybody, similarly your experience is not true for everybody.

You said I got my information from the media.

Everyone will have different experiences. Ik mine is different to many parts of the country, I’m in London.

What seems to be a consensus is that no one would say yes to barracks nearby, which is a problem for Labour.

A single day if crossings could fill a barracks, what then? We will see more problems as more areas say no.

Inverness and the surrounding area relies heavily on tourism. Can't see this barracks nonsense making it an attractive proposition for holidaymakers.

No I didn't. I said that the opinion of someone who works with immigration lawyers holds more weight than that of someone who gets their information from the media. I didn't mention you, nor was I thinking of you.

Incredibly outing but here's my opinion.

I live in Crowborough so this is going to affect me. As you can imagine the local Facebook groups are aflame with this news.

Helpfully, Reform have arranged for a town
meeting regarding this decision tomorrow evening. I'm sure that will go well.

The barracks are located about a 30
min walk from town. The report says there will be 30-90 migrants arriving daily and there will be 600 on site by early next year. They claim the barracks are to be only used for a year. Yeah right.

Where we are situated there is nothing nearby. Literally nothing for anyone to do unless you can drive, the FB groups are full of reports of anti social behaviour by teens. Transport links are very poor and there are weekly problems with the trains being cancelled.

I read one report yesterday that claimed the migrants will have a GP on site, and they will be free to come and go.

Yes I am now more concerned about my 16 yr old daughter walking to and from 6th form.

Genuine question, because it seems like a simple solution do there must be a reason why its not been done.

Why cant a law be implemented where if you arrive on a small boat you automatically become ineligible for asylum? Full stop, no ifs no buts, just no, back to France. Cant they change the system so people have to apply and be approved outside the UK? Then come here once approved? Would that appease the Reform lot?

Its a genuine question because i dont understand why this isnt the first thing they are doing if they want to stop the boats?

@CorneliaCupp

Ah I think you were having a dig at me perhaps?

Well you have made an assumption and it is wrong …when you don’t agree with what someone is saying then make an assumption about that person is that how it goes now!

I have a family member who is a lawyer and I work with barristers and lawyers so you are talking nonsense by implying I get my information solely from the media if it is me you are having a pop at.

What I said does hold weight it is very well known that there are unscrupulous operators especially around the asylum system. Those that typically set themselves up next door to a takeaway in the less salubrious areas.

They can write letters ‘til the cows come home …can’t see anyone wanting 600 unknown men living close to them in barracks.