To think Toby Carvery is working class ?

[JoanneTeresa]

I went this week and was looking around at the likely demographic

You’ve missed the boo hoo my great grandpa worked in a factory (way back when most men worked jobs like that) and now I face “classist” discrimination everywhere I go stuff?
Usually said by posters on incomes far above average strangely enough

Absolutely , despite posting on mn for 15 years.

but that stilll doesn’t explain why you think income is related to class and why someone with a factory worker grandad can’t be working class?

Exactly and on MN are generally based on offensive stereotypes about what it means to be working class, ie rough, badly dressed, loud, uneducated, valuing quantity over quality as a marker of a desirable establishment. I am working class and am nothing of those things, only MN would say I am not working class because I have multiple professional qualifications, earn over £70k, listen to Radio 4, prefer tapas in Puerto Pollensa to egg and chips in Benidorm etc etc. Until they met me and noted my regional accent.

I don't mind a Toby Carvery because they can be a good lunch option while out for work, quick, reasonably healthy if you go for meat and veg over Yorkshire puddings and stuffing, decent value and a lot more appetising than a fridge cold garage sandwich.

Im working class but think it's shit .. all of it ..where that that put me .. and I'm not on any kind of benefits and work 2 jobs

Is it not about time the English moved on from their obsession with class? It’s a bit pathetic.

It’s kind of jarring to come on here and be told I’ve got middle class privilege or something by someone who earns three times what I do and is wanting sympathy for great grandpa working down a mine

I think many people have. I don’t think Mn is representative of the general public in his respect. I think outside of this there are lots of mature discussions about class discrimination and more understanding of what class means.

MN has this weird hyacinth bucket view that as the poster above said, the WC are criminal scallywags and anyone with a mortgage and a degree is automatically middle class. it’s group think.

No, I agree it's very difficult to eat out well and reasonably priced with a family. My kids love Bella Italia, but we only tend to go when we've got Tesco rewards to spend 😂

Do you have middle class privilege though? Have you ever taken the time to think about you rather than focusing on others?

why are they triggering you so much? You chose to talk about this on an unrelated thread so it clearly is.

It absolutely is working class. The food is shite too.

The place is rough as fuck.

Fat people love it too, obviously.

This is peak mumsnet. Working class people are fat, rough as fuck and enjoy shit food.

its a helpful attitude if you want to believe all you need to be middle class is not the above.

Perfect example of self hating brits

Why’s it unrelated? Title of this thread literally has the words working class in. I actually agree with your comment above this one btw mumsnet is weirdly obsessed (and despite not even knowing about this stuff before making an account I’m guilty of reading all the threads on here about it now so I guess you could say I’m a hypocrite)

Tf is middle class privilege to begin with I’m expected to feel guilty for having a normal life by someone who’s 2 or 3x richer than me because of their grandads job?

Branding s often bound up with social class and social aspirations, though. Look at the branding of, say, Centreparcs vs Butlins, or Greggs vs Leon.

Yeah I'd say it's something of a working class institution and I love the vibe there every time I go. It's cheap, cheerful, and friendly. I don't go there for glitz, I go there for comfort and family time with a family vibe all around.

No one is making you feel guilty for having a normal life - that is irrelevant to this post yes. You’ve made it about you self and some perceived injustice not related to this thread.

if you knew nothing about class before joining mumsnet that probably explains why you incorrectly think class is related to income etc.

why not just luxuriate in your own working classness and relax ? The working classes are the home of art cultural revolution pop culture and longevity. Who would want to align with Waitrose when they could align with stormzy, Stephen Graham, Tracey emin, Dave, charli xcx?! Stop being so BORING

The height of sophistication used to be a Berni Inn - if you took a girl there for the standard "prawn cocktail, steak and chips, black forest gateau and a bottle of Mateus" it was tantamount to getting engaged ! 😀

The clientele of Toby Carvery is specifically fat, rough and enjoying eating shite food. In large portions.

Are you going to now explain that working class people actually eat the finest food in the country?

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Are you going to now explain that working class people actually eat the finest food in the country?

Do you understand that that wouldn’t add anything to this thread? Did that sound like a gotcha in your head?

How’ve I made it about myself I know I ain’t the only one who finds it annoying being told you have “privilege “ for being middle class by some self pitying individual droning on about how hard their life is because of how “working class” they are. You haven’t been on here that much if you have not come across that yet

Thought not.

I’m telling you you’re not middle class. Happy now? You don’t need to make those insults about you.

It's definitely for people that value volume over quality.

The meat can be overcooked and dry - I normally go for the gammon to avoid this. The veg is normally OK as it is harder to screw that up, and the variety of veg on offer is good. The deserts you pay extra for are normally pretty good.

You see some pretty horrendous stuff there, but that is pretty much true of any buffet style restaurant. Kids doing the "dentists chair" under the soft drinks machine, people sneezing all over the veg etc.

It's not top quality food but there is plenty of it and it's cheap.

Some establishments are rough and could really use a paint job, others done up so there is no uniform standard as regards decor.

The staff in the ones I have been in are always friendly and ready to help.

So I suppose to try to answer the question is it working class ? Well it is definitely for poorer people/people pretending to be poor as it offers value. It certainly is a place where quantity is valued over quality, no culinary expert is going to go there and no one goes their thinking it is a five star meal out.

I would say it is working class in the same way Wetherspoons is. I will still probably turn up to it now and then though. It's not great for me but not unbearably awful either. OK enough food for the price point if you have a price point, which an increasing amount of people do these days.

What insults? I’m not the one saying toby Carvery customers are fat and rough that’s a separate poster! I actually don’t give a shit if someone’s fat or rough just don’t wallow in self pity about your grandpas occupation and we’re good.

I haven't been in years. I've been twice and this was pre COVID. But I just liked it here. It was alright