To think Toby Carvery is working class ?

[JoanneTeresa]

I went this week and was looking around at the likely demographic

Are you able and willing to grace us with some rudimentary form of outline of these classes please?

Did you see The Guardian thing about 10 years ago? It was focused around hobbies but also assets and income. I came out lower at the time. My friend came out upper. We had fun doing that together via email at our respective jobs that day.

The thing is these ideas are just…. Not related to what class actually is. People don’t slip around classes from one year to the next. That’s not social mobility. Social mobility is very different and has different impacts.

this reminds me of starting university conversations all those years ago. I remember one person saying to me “well my dad is a millionaire with his own commercial Businesses and he left my mum to bring me up in a council house so what am I?” And I felt like saying what?! How can you not know the answer to that?! (Welll, what I really thought is you’re Welsh so obviously you are working class as there are no middle class Welsh people- I was also thick as shit back then)

There are loads of these quizzes all the time, they usually detail socio economic groupings rather than working/ middle/ upper class. They aren’t anything more than a bit of fun

well I'm still thick as shit and I'm wildly interested in your own personal classifications,.

I don’t personally classify class for
other people. I do think it’s fairly well accepted that income from your job is pretty much the opposite of a class indicator. As I say, There is no point in my throwing out some examples to get picked apart out of context. There is LOADS of literature and media about this topic

Same 😂

So what are you and how much do you earn? Are you on 50k+ self identifying as working class because of your grandparents wanting to tell middle class people we’re privileged because of a vibe?

£50k 😂😭 here’s a shocker: I was earning £50k 20 years ago when newly qualified. I think £50k is a very average if not low wage 😱

It has no impact at all on my class identity.

So you do want middle class people to feel bad about their “privilege “ while you probably earn three times the average wage.

feeling bad about privilege isn’t a productive thing. I would rather white people/ men/ the able bodied would consider the privilege that comes with their good luck when making decisions that impact the less fortunate around them, of course.

What a horrible thread. Some lovely posters on here 🙄 and 50k a low income, it absolutely isn't.

£50k is loads higher than average. My dh was on £22k at the height of his career 11 years ago. I think £28k is the national average.

i think it is a low wage. That doesn’t objectively make it one.

YOU are privileged to think 50k is a low wage, probably far more privileged than the majority of white people middle class people and men 🙄

I certainly am privileged, and I acknowledge that and use it positively in the decisions I make and in the ways I use my influence and access to power.

as we all should

I thought the average full time salary was £37/£38k in the UK now?

acknowledging it by waffling on about being working class while being completely unaware most middle class people and white people are on way less money than you. And lecturing us on our privilege ?

Right I've lost track a bit to be honest but you reckon you're middle right?

Or do you reckon you're working class?

Nah, 50K is not working class. But as I said before it's all completely subjective and all the words we're using have different connotations, implications, inferences, for us all, and they're probably all coloured by our own egos too.

You especially though. You won't share what you think as you believe it's something so esoteric that you couldn't possibly explain it but I don't believe you.

Give it a go! go on. go on. go on ah go on.

Where did I waffle on about being working class? Can you refer me to the post? Only I think you must be thinking of a different poster

Have you explained how a brick layer living in a council house who earns £100k can be upper middle class as you have suggested?

Come on it’s heavily implied don’t be obtuse

”waffling on”

and

“heavily implied”

couldn’t be more different 😭 I don’t think even you know what your point is any more

Does a bricklayer actually earn 100k? Or you being hyperbolic? People spending twice as much on private rent or a mortgage should feel guilt tripped by someone living in a council house? 😂

Yes they do

Because I base it on Income as that is what has the impact on our lives and the lifestyle we can afford. But yes, I also explained it in my reply to you. you're so funny 😅