Active discussions

Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Talk
AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Original poster

To think this is why Reform will win the next election “Epping hotel asylum seeker mistakenly released”

394 replies

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 24/10/2025 22:43

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2d5rl36vgo

Police have launched a manhunt after a former asylum seeker who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl was mistakenly released from prison.
Ethiopian national Hadush Kebatu, who arrived in the UK on a small boat, was jailed for 12 months over the attack in Epping, Essex, last month.

Custody shot of Hadush Kebatu

Manhunt for asylum seeker jailed for sexual assault mistakenly released

Ethiopian national Hadush Kebatu sparked nationwide protests after sexually assaulting a 14-year-old girl.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2d5rl36vgo

OP posts:
CorneliaCupp · 28/10/2025 17:35

1dayatatime · 28/10/2025 17:28

I don't think they will because such murders will be explained away as isolated and that the vast majority of migrants don't murder and that you are clearly far right and racist for pointing this out.

And lastly maybe having innocent dog walkers being stabbed to death is a price worth paying for showing "compassion " to refugees and not having Reform in power.

You see the problem you are having is that the left base their views on emotion and the right base their views on facts. Pointing out facts to a person that has already formed their opinion on emotion is never going to change their minds.

Show quote history

What makes you say that the left base their views on emotions and the right in facts? What facts are the left ignoring?

Vinvertebrate · 28/10/2025 17:39

Apparently he’s an Afghan national, but he did not arrive on a small boat (ie we don’t know whether he’s an asylum seeker, but the way it’s written suggests not).

HellsBalls · 28/10/2025 17:48

CorneliaCupp · 28/10/2025 17:34

Was he an asylum seeker? I don't think the media have said have they?

Show quote history

You are correct, they have not announced his status.
He could be one of the doctors, engineers or health workers, or he could be an asylum seeker.
Let’s see.

1dayatatime · 28/10/2025 18:33

CorneliaCupp · 28/10/2025 17:35

What makes you say that the left base their views on emotions and the right in facts? What facts are the left ignoring?

Show quote history

The old saying is that if you vote right wing then you have no heart and if you vote left wing then you have no brain.

Pharazon · 28/10/2025 18:40

ForestBath · 28/10/2025 12:29

Well we'll certainly see if the liberal elite will put their money where their mouth is...

Show quote history

Crowborough isn’t liberal. It’s try blue Tory. Hardly ‘elite’ either. Just wealthy, mostly older people.

EasternStandard · 28/10/2025 19:03

Vinvertebrate · 28/10/2025 17:04

I agree, but what can he do? All of the potential solutions - Rwanda, hostile environment tactics, ECHR withdrawal or reform - are antithetical to him (and to most Labour MP's). Labour was not elected because the nation's politics swung left, or because their policies were especially popular, but because people rightly felt that the Tories did not deserve to win.

Starmer seems to have no idea how to address his unpopularity, so he's dabbling in a few crowd-pleasers (like the plans discussed on this thread) whilst his MP's and cabinet colleagues seem duty-bound to hobble those efforts at every turn.

Meanwhile, there has been no improvement in the quality or integrity of government - Angela Rayner's tax affairs, Tulip Siddiqi embroiled in fraud allegations, that housing minister who section 21'ed her tenants and then hiked the rent, Haigh's resignation after pleading guilty to fraud years previously. I have no desire for a Reform government, but even I can appreciate that the two main parties have run out of road, largely because of their own incompetence and lack of integrity.

Show quote history

I agree with a lot of this but the cancelling Rwanda was a very Starmer decision. He was completely self assured in his declarations that he could smash the gangs.

Idk why he got it so wrong given his past job, but there you go if the one in one out is what we have now then I’d say he’ll struggle to even complete a term.

HellsBalls · 28/10/2025 19:04

Vinvertebrate · 28/10/2025 17:39

Apparently he’s an Afghan national, but he did not arrive on a small boat (ie we don’t know whether he’s an asylum seeker, but the way it’s written suggests not).

Confirmed. Asylum seeker, granted leave to remain.

CorneliaCupp · 28/10/2025 19:05

HellsBalls · 28/10/2025 19:04

Confirmed. Asylum seeker, granted leave to remain.

Show quote history

So a refugee?

EasternStandard · 28/10/2025 19:06

HellsBalls · 28/10/2025 19:04

Confirmed. Asylum seeker, granted leave to remain.

Show quote history

The earlier article that stated he didn’t arrive in a small boat was misinformation?

ForestBath · 28/10/2025 19:06

Pharazon · 28/10/2025 18:40

Crowborough isn’t liberal. It’s try blue Tory. Hardly ‘elite’ either. Just wealthy, mostly older people.

Show quote history

Depends how you define ' elite'; for me it's a synonym in this country for 'wealthy' and the protection that that affords. Inverness, where the 2nd military barracks is to repurposed is lib dem isn't it?

HellsBalls · 28/10/2025 19:08

EasternStandard · 28/10/2025 19:06

The earlier article that stated he didn’t arrive in a small boat was misinformation?

Show quote history

Back of a lorry.

Vinvertebrate · 28/10/2025 19:09

EasternStandard · 28/10/2025 19:06

The earlier article that stated he didn’t arrive in a small boat was misinformation?

Show quote history

Technically correct - he arrived in a lorry.

EasternStandard · 28/10/2025 19:12

Oh yeh just read, lorry

UniteTheUnicorns · 29/10/2025 06:13

Vinvertebrate · 28/10/2025 11:55

One of the party complained that she didn’t like seeing black faces in adverts, I’m horrified, is this their true M.O?

I think what she was (very clumsily) trying to say was that the number of POC - and specifically mixed families - in advertisements seemed disproportionate in a population that is 83% white British, and that these families didn’t accurately represent many people’s lives outside the M25.

We are a mixed race family living quite a considerable distance from the M25 so the advertising probably goes over my head a little. But our rural area is apparently 95% white British and so the demographic is wildly different to (say) Newham, Islington or even most of Birmingham, and it might well seem incongruous in that context. I have also noticed that every old dear wheeled out to advertise funerals, stairlifts or life insurance is white, almost without exception.

I do think it’s important to be able to discuss these issues and make observations respectfully without defaulting to either invective or accusations of racism. If everything is racist, then nothing is racist - this is sadly not a lesson that Labour seems willing or able to learn.

Exactly this!

Katiesaidthat · 29/10/2025 09:30

taxguru · 25/10/2025 12:42

Trouble with infrastructure work is that those workers now command ridiculously high wages so the cost is ruinous - as we've seen with HS2. Unskilled labourers on £1k per day freelance rates for example.

Show quote history

I don´t think the poster meant to pay them that kind of salary...
Also I don´t think the work needed on railways is unskilled...

suburburban · 29/10/2025 10:17

Katiesaidthat · 29/10/2025 09:30

I don´t think the poster meant to pay them that kind of salary...
Also I don´t think the work needed on railways is unskilled...

Show quote history

yes, It really isn’t unskilled

JenniferBooth · 29/10/2025 16:49

ForestBath · 28/10/2025 12:24

I think this is excellent news. I've long argued that the problem with housing asylum seekers is that the load hasn't been spread evenly. The poorest areas with the poorest resources have been leaned on heavily; it was always going to lead to discontent. More affluent areas MUST take their fair share. This will help turn the temperature down on the whole debate.

Show quote history

Just seen a TV report about it Some of the ppl of Crowborough aint happy

JenniferBooth · 29/10/2025 16:57

Vinvertebrate · 28/10/2025 12:38

Interesting. I suspect it will up the ante by fermenting more discontent in a new demographic. Typically, the wealthier have benefitted most from immigration: it means cheap services (plumbers, cleaners, childcare, etc), a great choice of cuisine and does not impact on their ability to access shared resources, as it may in a deprived community. I suspect there will be limited tolerance for any anti-social behaviour of the type that has been reported following the use of a military base in James Cleverly’s constituency in Essex iirc.

Show quote history

I live in this constituency and there was a news report last night from a whistle blower who worked there claiming female cleaners were sexually harassed.

Ablondiebutagoody · 29/10/2025 17:14

JenniferBooth · 29/10/2025 16:49

Just seen a TV report about it Some of the ppl of Crowborough aint happy

Show quote history

The local MP isn't happy either. With both the plan and the fact that the local council organised it in secret.

Labour and Lib Dem councillors have deployed the usual lines that she's "irresponsible" and "inflaming community tensions" to try to silence her.

EasternStandard · 29/10/2025 17:23

Ablondiebutagoody · 29/10/2025 17:14

The local MP isn't happy either. With both the plan and the fact that the local council organised it in secret.

Labour and Lib Dem councillors have deployed the usual lines that she's "irresponsible" and "inflaming community tensions" to try to silence her.

Show quote history

I bet. There’s no getting round the reality of barracks. No one will want it nearby. Not even the most loyal and diehard Labour posters have put up their hands for it.

Swiftasthewind · 29/10/2025 18:02

HellsBalls · 28/10/2025 19:04

Confirmed. Asylum seeker, granted leave to remain.

Show quote history

And before people jump on this incident and try to claim that Afghanis are dangerous people because of this one incident, British society is well known for people stabbing each other. It’s highly likely the culture here influenced his behaviour during this horrific crime, not his upbringing from another country. Do bear that in mind.

BlueJuniper94 · 29/10/2025 18:04

CorneliaCupp · 28/10/2025 17:35

What makes you say that the left base their views on emotions and the right in facts? What facts are the left ignoring?

Show quote history

People can't change sex

CorneliaCupp · 29/10/2025 18:05

BlueJuniper94 · 29/10/2025 18:04

People can't change sex

Show quote history

Agreed!

suburburban · 29/10/2025 18:07

Swiftasthewind · 29/10/2025 18:02

And before people jump on this incident and try to claim that Afghanis are dangerous people because of this one incident, British society is well known for people stabbing each other. It’s highly likely the culture here influenced his behaviour during this horrific crime, not his upbringing from another country. Do bear that in mind.

Show quote history

usually the stabbings tend to tie in with a certain demographic in the UK and gangs and drugs

i would have thought there would have been violence in Afghanistan more so than here

Swipe left for the next trending thread