To think this is why Reform will win the next election “Epping hotel asylum seeker mistakenly released”

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2d5rl36vgo

Police have launched a manhunt after a former asylum seeker who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl was mistakenly released from prison.
Ethiopian national Hadush Kebatu, who arrived in the UK on a small boat, was jailed for 12 months over the attack in Epping, Essex, last month.

I think if Labour make hard choices and do things they may find unpalatable but ultimately stop the boats Reform won’t win. We saw in Wales last week that they did a lot worse than opinion polls too. They will gain seats, but maybe not that many.

PP chose China and UAE as paragons of normality and I wouldn't aspire to emulate those.

They had a 34.2 swing idk what that would do in other seats.

I don’t think we need to, there’s much better and more successful options who have resolved border issues.

Not only a loan but a loan on terms highly favourable to the US.

Why do you think reform are competent? They are headed up by a rotten man who managed to get soppy Cameron to hold a Brexit vote. We are all worse off. Why makes things even worse 😕

According to Wikipedia some was funding but much was loans and not fully paid off till the 60s/70s dependent on which country it was.

One of the sites announced to be new asylum seeker accommodation today is Crowborough Training Camp in East Sussex.

It's in an incredibly affluent area, on the edge of the Ashdown Forest, all large detached houses (many with swimming pools, according to my BIL who lives a couple of miles away) and in a ward that has probably never voted anything but Tory.

I'd like to think that this is something of a shift away from accommodating asylum seekers in deprived areas, where so many are struggling.

Are you ok with the Labour barracks proposal?

Asylum seekers aren't allowed to work. They only get that right if/when they are granted leave to remain.

Do you honestly think that?
They seem mostly unable to think for themselves and just follow Nigel and Tommy two names for their "political knowledge"

I think most people would.

I don't have a problem with it in principle.

The training camp in Sussex that I mentioned in my previous post is one of them. It's on the edge of a town, so people accommodated there will have access to services. I might not feel the same if it was in the middle of Dartmoor or something and isolated.

I certainly think it's preferable to accommodating them in hotels in deprived areas, where they may be living alongside people little better off than themselves. I think it's less likely to cause resentment. And East Sussex is a good choice, there are a fair few voluntary groups in the county that support refugees and asylum seekers.

Up to 900 men in the barracks? With no work and close to properties that you say are wealthy.

Were you against the Bibby Stockholm but you’re for grouping men in large accommodation like this, why?

We were repaying it for decades. I was born eight years after the war ended and my tax was repaying it for 36 years of my working life.

No one paid it off early because the terms were so generous. It would have been silly.

Nobody suggested it should have been paid off early. It still took the best part of 50 years to do it.

By choice because it was in Britain’s best interest at the expense of the US. Not because Britain was hard done by.

Again nobody said it was. 🤷‍♀️

Garage is a mini Trump, can’t even stand to look at his ugly face, and that mouth, yuk.

One of the party complained that she didn’t like seeing black faces in adverts, I’m horrified, is this their true M.O?

Whilst visiting hubbys cousins last year, they’re in Portugal applying for citizenship, they said the exact same thing. Ironic really when they’re foreigners in another country of olive skinned locals and they’re as white as fuck, talk about double standards, really shitty. Do they think they’re elitist because they’re white? I’m baffled with this attitude 🤷‍♀️

Just marking this for later reference.

@Pharazon We also spent ours on setting up the NHS. Other countries used theirs to build up industry and wealth. We nationalized our businesses. Other countries got better bang for the bucks.

Reform: polls don’t always translate into votes in FPTP voting systems. Plus the government didn’t lose the prisoner. The prison service did. They probably don’t employ the brightest or have foolproof systems for prisoner handovers. They lose several hundred every year.

One of the party complained that she didn’t like seeing black faces in adverts, I’m horrified, is this their true M.O?

I think what she was (very clumsily) trying to say was that the number of POC - and specifically mixed families - in advertisements seemed disproportionate in a population that is 83% white British, and that these families didn’t accurately represent many people’s lives outside the M25.

We are a mixed race family living quite a considerable distance from the M25 so the advertising probably goes over my head a little. But our rural area is apparently 95% white British and so the demographic is wildly different to (say) Newham, Islington or even most of Birmingham, and it might well seem incongruous in that context. I have also noticed that every old dear wheeled out to advertise funerals, stairlifts or life insurance is white, almost without exception.

I do think it’s important to be able to discuss these issues and make observations respectfully without defaulting to either invective or accusations of racism. If everything is racist, then nothing is racist - this is sadly not a lesson that Labour seems willing or able to learn.

No. I think its causing a little flurry of outrage at present, but that memories are short and by the time the election rolls round this one incident won't be at the forefront of people's minds. Depending on when the election is, Reform may well have peaked too early, bringing the immigration issues to a climax with no election date looming. The public are fickle and well known for obsessing about an issue then moving on to another. Reform may have done better to keep this as a quietly simmering issue then pulled put the big guns at the last minute, so the timing of this event is probably not the best.

An articulate reasoned excellent post.

However you will probably be written off as racist by many for making it.