To think this is why Reform will win the next election “Epping hotel asylum seeker mistakenly released”

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2d5rl36vgo

Police have launched a manhunt after a former asylum seeker who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl was mistakenly released from prison.
Ethiopian national Hadush Kebatu, who arrived in the UK on a small boat, was jailed for 12 months over the attack in Epping, Essex, last month.

I wouldn’t call China or UAE a ‘normal country’…

But Brexit is not the only reason for the increase.

The words that spring to mind are "piss up" "brewery" and "Reform will not make anything better"

But he would because (perhaps not specifically in his case), other countries have o accept him back in order to deport someone from this country.

What the fuck are Labour playing at? Do they want Reform to win?

I’m pretty sure it’s the English flag being put up all over the place, At least, that’s what the news shows.

I think they do tbh.

They don’t seem to want to actually do anything about anything, it’d suit them greatly to be back in opposition, lamenting on what needs to be done, and not being the ones to have to do it.

Yes - a very grim day for Labour and a clear message for Starmer.

Reading some of the analysis of the Plaid Cymru victory, there’s a sense that this was a who’s-best-placed-to-keep-Reform-out vote.

Lib Dems for the win?

TBH, it’s so far away, I don’t think any predictions are meaningful at the moment. I think it’s likely that both Starmer and Badenoch will have been replaced by the time the next general election comes around.

See, this is where I’m unclear. Since you seem to know @MissKitty0, can you please explain exactly the steps reform would have taken?
How would they have stopped his boat landing?
If it had landed, how would they have immediately deported him, so he wasn’t every provided with accommodation or allowed to walk around?

How are they doing all of that?

The gangs should start offering bogof crossings?

@Bobiverse may I ask the context for your question please - so are you asking the question in a legal sense or a practical sense?

Try both?

I’m never quite sure how this the “send them back” calls are meant to work. Don’t the majority of illegal immigrants come with no papers so no way of telling where they’re from? So how can you send them back anywhere?

Even if people have papers, you cant by law (which Im sure people would say could just be changed) send someone back where they may be at risk.

And the country itself has to agree to take the person back, you cant just pop them on a flight or a boat.

If for example someone has come from Italy or France (might not be their originating country), France or Italy has to agree to take them back. Why would they do that?

Almost off topic but the Celebrity Traitors seems to sum up the UK today - a bunch of clueless muppets unable to see who the real enemy is, coming down hard on the wrong people - who gets ousted? Two blacks, one posho, a Scot, a beardy, that young woman who also looked from the wrong side of the tracks, basically anyone who wouldn't fit in your local Weatherspoons or might have a hard time from the Met police... or again is this all off topic?

Safe 3rd country like, erm Rwanda as the Danes are doing or Uganda as the Dutch are.

All reform supporters keep saying that same sort of stuff. But they can never explain how it would actually be achieved. What mechanisms would actually be put in place and how would they work?

My guess is that reform voters can’t actually answer.

Reform have a good chance.
They seem to be the only ones who have a backbone re immigration.

If they have no papers, drop them off in international waters and let them make their own way home.

This country needs to grow a pair of balls, stop shitting themselves about upsetting the left wing diversity whiners, and protect the citizens of this damn country. It needs to be a fucking priority.

People are understandably livid. Immigrants have been prioritised over citizens. I am so ashamed of this countries leaders, past and present.

drop them off in international waters and let them make their own way home

Would that be in a boat with some basic life-saving provisions? Careful now: you’d be accused of sending them on a 4 star cruise.

I don't think I am a supporter of theirs - I explained in my first post here what my major concern was about them, I don't think I can get past it tbh. I wish they'd join with the Conservatives.

But anyway. You said "both" so here is my perception.

This is how I see it - I don't claim to be an expert

On a practical level, we could be using different types of housing (eg camps, boats), offering different terms, with no freedom to just wander around.

So a bit like the Greeks at the moment. I don't know how things are going there, but it sounds like a deterrent.

Also, if asylum seekers have less freedom, incidents like this wouldn't happen. I think lack of freedom would be a big deterrent. I used to live near one of these in London and the freedom they get must seem hugely attractive, to say nothing of the opportunities they get to work cash in hand. Cash in hand and free accommodation, yeah they're sharing a room, but they are warm and fed and they have a TV to watch. I don't know who's giving them phones but they all seem to have one. It could be made much less attractive to come here.

I think it would be pointless to let them in, refuse to house them, and have them disappearing across the country. They'll get hooked up with traffickers providing them with fake ID and so on.

on a legal level, there would be objections and challenges to any changes that we try to make. I don't know why some people are so determined to house so many people on this small island - but here we are.

The Greeks changed their law, or passed a new one in July I think and it became operational from September. So I would imagine if Reform get in, they will look at changing the law as a matter of urgency.

i realise the conservatives tried this but it was such a half hearted attempt, no one believes them them anymore. And this problem really escalated on their watch.

as always, the question is - who benefits? This gravy train is very very long. Look how much the Irish government paid for the hotel in Dublin.

It's hardly surprising that people will look to non-establishment politicians for a solution to this.

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You do all know that:

1. the ONS methodology for determining net migration changed after Brexit in 2020 which is when the numbers appeared to start increasing
2. changes to immigration rules mean that net migration halved between 2023 and 2024 (most recent figures)
3. VAWG is a male problem not a migrant problem
4. Reform has consistently voted against laws to protect women's rights and says they will remove the equality act if they get in