To be a bit stunned by Lily Allen’s new album

[AngeloMysterioso]

Oooofff. I mean it might as well be called Fuck You David Harbour, You Cheating Bastard. Safe to say she’s set a new bar for diaristic songwriting. I feel so sad for her, I know she’s not everyone’s favourite person but it’s always been clear that all she wanted was to love and be loved and she seemed so happy with him- he popped up on her podcast with Miquita Oliver a few times and seemed so genuine in the way he spoke about her… for it to all collapse in such spectacularly public and hideous fashion must have been awful to endure, so I don’t blame her for working through it by going back to what she does best but still… blimey. I feel like I’ve been spying in their bedroom or something after listening to it!

I'm sorry for what you have been through, but I think while it is always going to be painful for some to hear, we need to hear women loudly defy the expectation they should feel shame, and sometimes the most effective way is laughter

Artists take inspiration from their life, I don't object to that, but I don't like the prose of Madeleine. In theory it should have been a good song but not the way it's written. Frankly if you go in for an "open marriage" what do you expect? There is no guarantee one of you won't fall for someone else. Harbour clearly felt he had a free pass to do whatever he liked and let's not forget he's a spoilt Hollywood actor. I can't help feeling it was all his idea and not what she really wanted.

I agree I judge using sex workers too

Exactly!!

What she does with her body has absolutely nothing to do with what is happening to your body. I am so sorry for your losses, but Lily’s abortions have nothing to do with your miscarriages.

Hope things change for you soon.

And in any case people only started to like Amy Winehouse when she died. Before that they said awful things about her. Just like Lily.

“think you've wandered here from the 1950s and got lost”

If you disagree you would say that wouldn’t you?
perhaps you are right but I still not feel it’s right for a child to know about her mothers sexual exploits. Look at Lily Allen’s Dad …. Didn’t do her any good did it.
in 1950s women did have abortions, had sex, did all the things she has BUT they didn’t flaunt it to their offspring. How embarrassing at school!!!

Yes, people were so horrible about her! Terrible. If Lily wasn’t around anymore it would be all “pioneering and brutally honest artist” etc etc. but now when she’s alive she too much for so many who likes to keep things sanitized. I think what’s interesting is that of course there’s lots of musicians with even more or a rock n roll lifestyle that we don’t criticize at all…wonder how that can be….let’s see..could be it be because they’re men? Lol

That’s the dilemma all artists face. If you create art most often you’ll include your own experiences and you can’t really view the life of children of artists the same as for other kids. There are great advantages and disadvantages. But I also feel that growing up with a mum who’s brave, honest and creative and commercially and artistically successful can’t be the worst thing. Even if you do end up knowing a bit too much about her sex life.
but that can happen to anyone, my dad had an affair and I was there when my mum found out and afterwards she told me a lot of stuff I wish I hadn’t heard and it was really traumatic for me. No one would know that happened in my outwardly presentable and decent family. I’d have much preferred to have my mum at least be open and honest about my dad betrayal and make some money of it by turning her pain into art.

Awful for you I’m sure, At least it wasn’t broadcast to the world.

Yeah, coz no-one has ever done that before.

Hard agree. ^

Exactly. Her behaviour regarding this was reprehensible, yet some people still seem to admire her.

Utterly unfathomable.

Then what is it, exactly? Please explain.

What personhood is, and when it is aquired or even lost, is the subject of philosophical, moral and legal debate and has been for centuries. I did not say that a fetus is a person (many people do think that however) but it is undeniably human, to claim otherwise is denying biological reality.

If Lily had gone the same way as Amy, no way would I be calling her pioneering and brutally honest. 🙄 What a weird thing to suggest. I would never be a fan of hers, and suddenly start praising her if she was no longer here.

And she lives a rock and roll lifestyle? LOL, hardly! She's not a rock star. She is a talentless nepo baby. And no, she is not disliked by some because she's not a man. 🙄

So? If that is true and she used sex workers I can't work up sympathy for her.

I always thought she was deeply annoying but that's vile.

I like her old music, I didn't realise she had any abortions or chested on her ex.

You can’t help feeling it’s not what she wanted? She makes that almost explicitly clear in nearly every song, that she was blindsided by the request, is a people pleaser and was saddened by the situation but thought he needed it to be happy.

Never thought their relationship had the best base in the world...met and then moved in due to lock down...not exactly the choice you'd make in 'normal' life.

About the abortions, have never had the joy of being pregnant but if I were in the fertile spectrum feel pretty sure I wouldn't leave things to chance if I didn't want children. She just always comes across a bit grubby.

I don't get it, because what's to say you won't fall in love with a sex worker? It's not like they remove all emotional attachment.

My head hurts at the thought of people comparing LA and AW talent wise 😂

Can you imagine how many abortions many of those rock star men have been party to?

Oh dear, I’m not pretending to be that interested or have a degree un Lily Allenism. But she’s spoken about using escorts herself and I assumed an open marriage gives both parties permission to play away.