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Schools in the UK

223 replies

Bobajob02 · 23/10/2025 09:28

I grew up in the UK but live abroad now and my kids are in school over here. Are schools in the UK really as bad as they sound? Isolation, insane school uniform rules, detentions for the slightest misdemeanour. Not being able to take kids out of school during term time. Piled on top of that loads of exam pressure from a young age.

Do kids actually enjoy school in the UK? Is it ok if they are bright and toe the line? What about those who don’t fit the mould? Does this approach improve children’s outcomes (not just academic, but also in terms of well-being)?

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freedo · 24/10/2025 16:12

I'm sorry that your children needed extra help so needed to go to a private school which you now can't afford.

Ouch!

Differentforgirls · 24/10/2025 16:13

Bluebattery · 24/10/2025 16:01

I’m a parent who had to move a child from a Scottish state school because my child was getting their head kicked in on a daily basis. The police would charge the wee scrote and their mates regularly with assault. There are no consequences whatsoever for assault if you are U16 in Scotland apart from a letter home to their mum. The school weren’t allowed to permanently exclude them. My child was safe only the one week a month when the school weren’t allowed able to temporarily exclude them. Mine was not the only child attacked. Others were hospitalised.

That’s what happens when the Scottish government bans exclusion and bans teens who commit crimes from facing consequences. But it’s ok. The education secretary has told teachers if they give the bully a laminated piece of paper reminding them of their rights and responsibilities they’ll stop being violent. It’s laughable!

The poor headteacher at my kids school was in despair at the ridiculous rules imposed on him. Violent kids need to be removed. Safeguarding is failing - failing teachers and pupils alike.

I agree with you. Can I ask which school?

Bluebattery · 24/10/2025 16:19

Differentforgirls · 24/10/2025 16:13

I agree with you. Can I ask which school?

No. Way too outing. My poor child went through enough.

twistyizzy · 24/10/2025 16:58

freedo · 24/10/2025 16:12

I'm sorry that your children needed extra help so needed to go to a private school which you now can't afford.

Ouch!

Great contribution to the discussion as always 👍 👏

Differentforgirls · 24/10/2025 17:00

twistyizzy · 24/10/2025 16:58

Great contribution to the discussion as always 👍 👏

Thank you.

twistyizzy · 24/10/2025 17:08

Differentforgirls · 24/10/2025 16:09

You don't live here. Just because the state schools in your country are shite, according to you, doesn't mean ours are. I'm sorry that your children needed extra help so needed to go to a private school which you now can't afford. I'm glad I never had that dilemma. Mine's just went to local Secondary and are both now professionals. I hope you can find a way to help yours.

So only people who live somewhere can have an opinion on it?
You haven't answered my Q of are you saying that the data and evidence is wrong?
You claimed something which my first Google search disputed. So instead of discussing you've just tried to shut me down by using faux concern about my child. Grow up.

twistyizzy · 24/10/2025 17:12

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freedo · 24/10/2025 17:45

That's rich @twistyizzy! 😆

freedo · 24/10/2025 17:46

I just get bored of your contribution to any school thread that's goes off a tangent about VAT on private schools. I'm not the only one...

Differentforgirls · 24/10/2025 17:50

Bluebattery · 24/10/2025 16:19

No. Way too outing. My poor child went through enough.

I’m sorry you’re child went through what they did. I’d be beside myself too. However we all have different experiences of state schools and mine are positive. Hope your child is ok now x

twistyizzy · 24/10/2025 17:50

freedo · 24/10/2025 17:46

I just get bored of your contribution to any school thread that's goes off a tangent about VAT on private schools. I'm not the only one...

I never bring it up unless on a VAT thread, I will however reply if another poster does. Especially if they are talking bollocks. Another PP brought it up on this thread.
All you do is pop up to post nasty comments to me/about me.
You find it boring, I find you nasty. However you aren't going to silence me, you have no right to do that.

Differentforgirls · 24/10/2025 17:51

twistyizzy · 24/10/2025 17:08

So only people who live somewhere can have an opinion on it?
You haven't answered my Q of are you saying that the data and evidence is wrong?
You claimed something which my first Google search disputed. So instead of discussing you've just tried to shut me down by using faux concern about my child. Grow up.

Well yes.

freedo · 24/10/2025 17:51

You are so angry, just calm down.

freedo · 24/10/2025 17:51

All you do is pop up to post nasty comments to me/about me.

And deluded

twistyizzy · 24/10/2025 17:52

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twistyizzy · 24/10/2025 17:54

freedo · 24/10/2025 17:51

All you do is pop up to post nasty comments to me/about me.

And deluded

Proving my point

freedo · 24/10/2025 17:54

Why don't you? I'm sure we will all appreciate it.

Needlenardlenoo · 24/10/2025 17:55

There are what, 160 grammars in England? Out of thousands and thousands of state secondary schools. And even in the areas where they are, there are other excellent schools that aren't selective. It's hardly a "two tier system"; more of a "remnant of a previous era". Popular with parents looking for single sex education though.

I live on the borders of a grammar area. They weren't suitable for my DD. She's getting an excellent education. So are her friends who went to the grammars. The schools are all good here

Less said about the state of the buildings though, the better. I hope the OP's country has a better maintenance budget than us!

twistyizzy · 24/10/2025 17:55

freedo · 24/10/2025 17:54

Why don't you? I'm sure we will all appreciate it.

Aimed at you

freedo · 24/10/2025 17:56

Grow up.

The irony

twistyizzy · 24/10/2025 18:17

freedo · 24/10/2025 17:56

Grow up.

The irony

You just keep proving my point.

Differentforgirls · 24/10/2025 18:18

Needlenardlenoo · 24/10/2025 17:55

There are what, 160 grammars in England? Out of thousands and thousands of state secondary schools. And even in the areas where they are, there are other excellent schools that aren't selective. It's hardly a "two tier system"; more of a "remnant of a previous era". Popular with parents looking for single sex education though.

I live on the borders of a grammar area. They weren't suitable for my DD. She's getting an excellent education. So are her friends who went to the grammars. The schools are all good here

Less said about the state of the buildings though, the better. I hope the OP's country has a better maintenance budget than us!

I’m sorry. Was that aimed at me? If it was then I apologise. I don’t really have a clue about the Education system in England. Im
just going by previous threads about Grammar schools.

Bluebattery · 24/10/2025 18:25

Differentforgirls · 24/10/2025 17:50

I’m sorry you’re child went through what they did. I’d be beside myself too. However we all have different experiences of state schools and mine are positive. Hope your child is ok now x

Yeh, my parents were horrified and paid for private school. It’s a different world. They can remove violent children at the drop of a hat, the kids therefore have a deterrent and behave impeccably. It’s really nice to see the respect and camaraderie the children have for each other. I campaign a lot to raise state school teachers voices on this matter. They are on the front line and know how bad it is. They’re good teachers, dedicated to learning and yet so many a leaving due to the violence. Action desperately needs to be taken but the Scottish government has their head firmly in the sand.

Someone is going to be killed (teacher or pupil) their family will sue the government and perhaps then we’ll get change.

freedo · 24/10/2025 18:26

You just keep proving my point.

It's a public forum, everyone can see your posts and the manner in which you reply to other posters. Hence why I said you were deluded, I'm not wrong....

totalwinwin · 24/10/2025 18:28

Bluebattery · 24/10/2025 18:25

Yeh, my parents were horrified and paid for private school. It’s a different world. They can remove violent children at the drop of a hat, the kids therefore have a deterrent and behave impeccably. It’s really nice to see the respect and camaraderie the children have for each other. I campaign a lot to raise state school teachers voices on this matter. They are on the front line and know how bad it is. They’re good teachers, dedicated to learning and yet so many a leaving due to the violence. Action desperately needs to be taken but the Scottish government has their head firmly in the sand.

Someone is going to be killed (teacher or pupil) their family will sue the government and perhaps then we’ll get change.

I sadly feel like it's going to come to this too. We've had teachers with lifelong injuries, we've had teachers hospitalised with concussion... will it take a death for there to be a change?

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