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To back teen dd not apologising to her nana?

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Teenpromdrama · 20/10/2025 14:31

Dd15 is adamant that she doesn’t want to go to prom next summer. Dh and I have always said it’s her choice, she can decide later once tickets are out, and she can wear whatever she prefers. We’re really not at all bothered either way. She is quiet and introverted but can be very black and white with some opinions. She generally keeps these to herself but if she really cares about something, will speak up.

This weekend her cousin, also 15, went for a prom dress appointment and invited dd and me along with sil. The cousins are great friends and dniece had said she knew dd wasn’t interested in prom, but she wanted her opinion and dd agreed happily. We had a nice day out and dniece picked a lovely dress, we had lunch, it was all good. That afternoon we all went back to mil’s house as the dress shop was in the town where she lives. The dress and prom was talked about which was to be expected, but mil then kept on and on about dd not going, not picking a dress, and it turned into an attack on dd for being quiet, having few friends, being boring, not being as pretty and feminine as her cousin, criticising her choice of clothes and hairstyle, it was relentless. Sil told her to stop and cousin was also crying.

Dd was very upset so I said I thought we would best leave, but mil carried on, literally as we’re getting shoes on, that no one would care if dd was there or not, saying she was brainwashed by the woke nonsense in schools now, and that dd would never have a boyfriend if she carried on looking and behaving the way she did. Dd exploded and called her a nasty old witch and that she hated her and never wanted to see her again. Mil was screaming back that dd and I weren’t welcome anyway, and we left her hollering.

This is not the first time mil has been critical of dd but definitely the worst. In the past we’ve been able to shield dd from it but as she gets older, it’s obvious that other gc are favoured. Dd likes shorter hair, trousers, doesn’t use makeup, is quite academic. She likes what she likes and is quite happy with who she is.
Mil isn’t sliding into dementia, she’s just a critical miserable creature. She has always been like this. She called dh to complain about dd before we even got home and has demanded an apology.

Anyway dd is now saying she doesn’t want to see her again, not at Christmas, not at anything. She won’t apologise and honestly, I agree with her. Cousin was shocked and also has said she doesn’t want to be around her again, but sil is trying to get everyone to clear the air. It just feels like finally a lot of things have been said that were rumbling in the background and if mil wants to be rid of dd, then let her. I just feel incredibly sad that this has all blown up on a day that was really lovely for dniece. I know sil wants everyone to get along but this feels like it’s gone too far now. Dh is stuck between agreeing with dd and not wanting to fight with his sister.

What do I do now? I would have no problem with never seeing mil again. Dh can do whatever he sees fit. I don’t see how I can force dd to apologise and I’m not prepared to put her in the firing line again. Aibu for saying dd will not apologise?

OP posts:
londongirl12 · 20/10/2025 20:25

Totally agree with your DD. No one needs to be around that.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 20/10/2025 20:27

I will speak to dh properly once the dc are all in bed, I have no idea what may have been said today (probably nothing) but at least I can say where I stand on it all, and that dd will not be in contact with mil

A sensible approach, @Teenpromdrama, but do watch out for potential future whining about him "wishing you could all get on" and suggestions that it's actually all your fault for not giving him an easy life brushing it under the carpet

Personally I'd be deeply offended by his laissez-faire attitude around his own daughter being attacked - and I'm not easy to offend - so I'd be looking for rather more engagement to protect her

Nestingbirds · 20/10/2025 20:31

No doubt your dh is a victim anyway and may not be able to see this as abuse. It’s all he has ever known.

AcquadiP · 20/10/2025 20:36

Team DD here. Well done to her for standing up for herself.

Whoknowshey · 20/10/2025 20:38

Teenpromdrama · 20/10/2025 14:31

Dd15 is adamant that she doesn’t want to go to prom next summer. Dh and I have always said it’s her choice, she can decide later once tickets are out, and she can wear whatever she prefers. We’re really not at all bothered either way. She is quiet and introverted but can be very black and white with some opinions. She generally keeps these to herself but if she really cares about something, will speak up.

This weekend her cousin, also 15, went for a prom dress appointment and invited dd and me along with sil. The cousins are great friends and dniece had said she knew dd wasn’t interested in prom, but she wanted her opinion and dd agreed happily. We had a nice day out and dniece picked a lovely dress, we had lunch, it was all good. That afternoon we all went back to mil’s house as the dress shop was in the town where she lives. The dress and prom was talked about which was to be expected, but mil then kept on and on about dd not going, not picking a dress, and it turned into an attack on dd for being quiet, having few friends, being boring, not being as pretty and feminine as her cousin, criticising her choice of clothes and hairstyle, it was relentless. Sil told her to stop and cousin was also crying.

Dd was very upset so I said I thought we would best leave, but mil carried on, literally as we’re getting shoes on, that no one would care if dd was there or not, saying she was brainwashed by the woke nonsense in schools now, and that dd would never have a boyfriend if she carried on looking and behaving the way she did. Dd exploded and called her a nasty old witch and that she hated her and never wanted to see her again. Mil was screaming back that dd and I weren’t welcome anyway, and we left her hollering.

This is not the first time mil has been critical of dd but definitely the worst. In the past we’ve been able to shield dd from it but as she gets older, it’s obvious that other gc are favoured. Dd likes shorter hair, trousers, doesn’t use makeup, is quite academic. She likes what she likes and is quite happy with who she is.
Mil isn’t sliding into dementia, she’s just a critical miserable creature. She has always been like this. She called dh to complain about dd before we even got home and has demanded an apology.

Anyway dd is now saying she doesn’t want to see her again, not at Christmas, not at anything. She won’t apologise and honestly, I agree with her. Cousin was shocked and also has said she doesn’t want to be around her again, but sil is trying to get everyone to clear the air. It just feels like finally a lot of things have been said that were rumbling in the background and if mil wants to be rid of dd, then let her. I just feel incredibly sad that this has all blown up on a day that was really lovely for dniece. I know sil wants everyone to get along but this feels like it’s gone too far now. Dh is stuck between agreeing with dd and not wanting to fight with his sister.

What do I do now? I would have no problem with never seeing mil again. Dh can do whatever he sees fit. I don’t see how I can force dd to apologise and I’m not prepared to put her in the firing line again. Aibu for saying dd will not apologise?

I’m with your daughter. I would be the same as you and would back her up. I would never be around someone who could be so cruel to my child and I would expect my husband to be the same.

Makemineacosmo · 20/10/2025 20:42

100% with your DD. Your DH doesn't need to fall out with his sister, but to be honest, she should be backing your DD too.

LillyPJ · 20/10/2025 20:45

Your DD sounds lovely! I'd be very proud of her.

Moveoverdarlin · 20/10/2025 20:50

I wish she called her a bitch instead of witch.

She sounds vile. Support your DD.

SharkyandGeorge5 · 20/10/2025 20:58

NEVER should your daughter apologise!! Say that you'll bring your daughter to family events if SHE receives an apology from your mil and then enjoy the peace and quiet knowing she's too much of a miserable old witch to ever go that

(Btw I think your daughter is very sensible to not be too fussed about prom!)

mswales · 20/10/2025 21:07

Migrant2 · 20/10/2025 14:37

Please back your daughter. She did nothing wrong. You should have put a stop to the nastiness much earlier so that your daughter didn’t get backed into a corner in the first place. You let her down.

editing to delete my comment after seeing the updates (i was confused about how it got to the point it did)

outerspacepotato · 20/10/2025 21:08

Your husband won't be able to use you and daughter as shields against his mother anymore. He's going to have to deal with her instead of feeding the two of you to her and he won't like that.

Don't back down. Your daughter needs to know at least one parent has her back against an abusive relative. It's likely she loses respect for her dad if he doesn't support her when she's been abused.

basicsasics · 20/10/2025 21:18

What a horrendous experience for your dd.

I think in all honesty that you and your dh (and perhaps sil) should go and see your mil and go through all the comments she made to your dd, and explain why she was wrong on each point, firstly, but also how damaging it is to make personal comments and personal attacks and how it is, basically abusive, and explain why it is abusive, and ultimately get to a point where your mil will apologise in a genuine way to your dd to try to repair some of the damage.

I don't know your dd but most people however robust will be affected by comments like that, and so I'd spend a lot of time saying out loud to your dd that her gm was wrong, how wonderful your dd is as she is, etc. Because even if she is assertive and dealt with what happened well, she will probably benefit from hearing it all the same.

Plenty of men love girls and women like your dd, so your mil is indeed bonkers. Not that women should live their lives solely to please men!

NotThisShitAgain121 · 20/10/2025 21:25

Sorry what is there for your daughter to apologise for? That horrible bitch of a mil caused all of this really nasty and unnecessary shit. Fuck her. Do not subject your daughter to her ever again and your husband needs to be having stern words with his mother. She is totally bang out of order! If anyone should be getting a massive apology it should be your daughter!

AliceMcK · 20/10/2025 21:28

Puzzledandpissedoff · 20/10/2025 20:27

I will speak to dh properly once the dc are all in bed, I have no idea what may have been said today (probably nothing) but at least I can say where I stand on it all, and that dd will not be in contact with mil

A sensible approach, @Teenpromdrama, but do watch out for potential future whining about him "wishing you could all get on" and suggestions that it's actually all your fault for not giving him an easy life brushing it under the carpet

Personally I'd be deeply offended by his laissez-faire attitude around his own daughter being attacked - and I'm not easy to offend - so I'd be looking for rather more engagement to protect her

Agree with is. I loved my own DF very much but his memory for me is very much tainted by his enabling of my narcissistic mother and his desire for an “easy life”that I was always made out to be the problem for my mother’s behaviour. I started to quietly loose respect for him when he was alive but after he died and I faced up to my toxic home life and how he allowed me to be treated my whole life, respect for him just disappeared.

You need to make sure your DH understands the way he handles this could effect his future relationship with you dd.

Mumtobabyhavoc · 20/10/2025 21:38

outerspacepotato · 20/10/2025 21:08

Your husband won't be able to use you and daughter as shields against his mother anymore. He's going to have to deal with her instead of feeding the two of you to her and he won't like that.

Don't back down. Your daughter needs to know at least one parent has her back against an abusive relative. It's likely she loses respect for her dad if he doesn't support her when she's been abused.

Very interesting perspective! 👏

Tortielady · 20/10/2025 21:42

Your MiL should apologise, but she probably won't. It almost certainly wouldn't mend any bridges, even if your DD could stomach it long enough to listen. You just can't unleash a tirade like that without consequences; your MiL is past old enough to understand that some things can't be forgiven or forgotten and the wounds we acquire in childhood and adolescence are the slowest to heal. Your MiL may have to live with what she's done for the rest of her life and her relationship with your DD might not be the only casualty. Frankly, it would serve her right if the only family she sees were her FOG-bound DC - and maybe not even them.

BTW, as someone who's probably about your MiL's age, she's a vicious old harridan who doesn't deserve her DC, you or her lovely grandchildren.

LadyGaGasPokerFace · 20/10/2025 21:46

Your dd is right, she is a nasty old witch. Your dd is smart enough. She’s going places.
No apologising needed from her, but mil needs to apologise.
Sil placating mil shows how she’s been trained by mil.

sandyhappypeople · 20/10/2025 21:47

What a nasty woman she is, that resentment has obviously been building in her for a while, and it sounds like once she started she decided to go for broke.

I'm so glad you are backing your daughter, I'm amazed your SIL is trying to get you to let it go and play nice though, the only person who would benefit from that is her so as nice as she may be, it is quite a selfish thing to guilt trip everyone else, I wonder were she gets that from!

SkiAndTravelTheWorldWithMyDog · 20/10/2025 23:27

I like the sound of your daughter. Tell her "good job" from me.

sugarapplelane · 20/10/2025 23:37

You sound like a lovely Mum Op. Give your DD the biggest hug, tell her you love her and that you have her back.
Your MIL is cruel, heartless and spiteful and she may grow old alone if she carries on in this way.
Don let any of the wider family gaslight you or your DD or minimise her feelings. Ypur DD was in the right 100%.

crivit · 21/10/2025 00:03

Lucyccfc68 · 20/10/2025 19:10

Some pagans practised witchcraft, but not all. Some people who practised witchcraft did so as a secular craft.

Amazing what info you can find with a bit of googling.

It’s all a bit Hans Christian Anderson to be honest and it’s a great insult calling someone a witch.

Amazing what you can discover in actual life as well. Like hate speech being treated as fine and dandy.

Momtotwokids · 21/10/2025 00:20

If someone family or not treated my daughter like that we would have left way before it got that bad. Your MIL was so out of line.

Talkingfrog · 21/10/2025 00:41

Your Dd sounds great to me.

Secure/Comfortable enough to be herself, know what is right for her, and is prepared to stand up for herself.
At 15 she can choose if she wants to see family members or not.
In her shoes I wouldn't be in a rush to be meeting up with a grandparent that felt that way about me.
Glad she is still on good terms with her cousins.
We will need an update on how mil reacts on seeing older nieces new look!

Lucyccfc68 · 21/10/2025 06:33

crivit · 21/10/2025 00:03

Amazing what you can discover in actual life as well. Like hate speech being treated as fine and dandy.

😂😂😂

Globules · 21/10/2025 06:35

Well done on raising a girl who is confident in her own skin, has the temperament to have tolerated so much of her Nan's crap and has the courage to call out such poor behaviour.

I can understand you feel bad for SIL, but you're not in control of her and her decisions. I think you're doing marvellously in regard you and yours.