To chortle my face off at this fucking farce from Reform

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/oct/18/suck-it-up-leaked-video-exposes-bitter-infighting-at-reform-uks-flagship-kent-council

But in seriousness, imagine these kind of people running your council, let alone your country…

Getting an EHCP for my DS nearly sent me completely insane. And even when you get one it’s not possible to get the care that is asked for as there are not the resources in schools. The whole thing is a nightmare and needs proper reorganisation within the education department of government.

Which shows your complete utter ignorance.Most EHCPs don’t come with ££££ of help and the support varies massively.

And do expand on “this cohort”. This also varies hugely. My ds has an EHCP, it is helping him to attain a level 3 qualification and go to uni which he’d have no hope of doing without.

Do elaborate then.

If you’re given to chortling I’d concentrate on the main parties whose abject failure to govern or deal with any of the real problems of the UK have fuelled the rise of reform

@Nescafeneeded no the masses do not support a right wing party - itsaroubd28% - and nearly all in particular rural bits of the country - far more of the country supports the non right wing - however given the UKs system of FPTP they would stand a chance of dominating here - and I would say the same if it was the greens by the way or Lib Dem’s etc

I agree with you but the kind of people who will vote for reform identify with the types of people in that video, they will vote for them because they can relate to them.

People really don't understand that these idiots would make Liz Truss look like Einstein.

'How much harm can they do with one electoral term?' Liz Truss had literal weeks. Ask the people who lost their homes because of her how much harm can be done in a very, very short period of time.

Getting an EHCP is incredibly difficult. First, the LA has to decide whether an assessment goes ahead. Rejections happen often due to a lack of evidence. If it goes ahead, a mountain of evidence needs to be supplied, which is very intrusive and slow. Even when all evidence is gathered, the LA often refuses a plan. A huge amount of appeals to the SEND tribunal are won, which shows many valid cases are wrongly refused.

It is funny, until you realise that the reform voters will still vote for them because Small Boats….

‘Necessary’ is a legal term set out in legislation and with a huge amount of case law surrounding it.

I would love to give up the taxi my child spends up to 2 house in every day to his state SEN school. Unfortunately, it's the nearest to us by quite a considerable distance, as mainstream can't meet needs and they closed any others down. It's not the taxi that's the cause of the costs, it's the outcome of the other decisions made.

I would love to give up the taxi my child spends up to 2 house in every day to his state SEN school. Unfortunately, it's the nearest to us by quite a considerable distance, as mainstream can't meet needs and they closed any others down. It's not the taxi that's the cause of the costs, it's the outcome of the other decisions made.

I suspect people like the pp you quoted think you should be doing the ferrying around for your own child. Completely missing the point that may mean you are then unable to be in full time work and will therefore also become more reliant on state financial help which in turn means bigger bills for the sainted taxpayer. Still, at least ‘Stop the taxis’ could be the next slogan I suppose.

It is shortsighted to only look at employment.

For example, the right support as a child and young person can be the difference between:
A residential placement being required or not.
2:1 support in the community and 1:1 support as an adult.
24/7 support vs support for only part of the time.
Someone being contact with the justice system or not.
Someone being eligible for CHC funding or not.
Someone being more independent than they otherwise would.
A young person moving on to HE during their late teens or them not and the EHCP continuing until 25, or 26 in some cases.

@HarryVanderspeigle I imagine a lot of people would like to see the return of institutions. My DD will always need support and care in the community costs too much.

Polanski would fit into that category very nicely, as would all the Greens. Rank amateurs.

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@Nescafeneeded you have a bit of a bee in your bonnet about EHCPs, is that fair. https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5429243-to-think-we-spend-too-long-parenting-now-and-its-turned-young-adults-into-eternal-children?page=5&reply=147905429

What is it you object to? It’s a really tricky process, have you any experience of it?

I think a lot of the social care spend by councils goes on older people’s care.

All this EHCP chat is rather taking away from what this thread is about - the shameful behaviour of Reform in the video - something @Nescafeneeded is probably aiming for. Perhaps start another thread?

Sure, they're ruining it by:

Refusing to engage in internal accountability or review processes e.g., Robert Ford who point blank refused to engage in internal investigations after a series of complaints from women were made against him.

Obstructing oversight and governance functions e.g., attempting to bypass establish procedures to access sensitive/confidential data and threatening staff with gross misconduct if they resist.

Undermining transparency and restricting media access e.g., banning local press from interviews or restricting journalists’ access to councillors and council information (granted that wasn't Kent but still Reform).

Appointing inexperienced individuals to senior or sensitive roles e.g., placing very young or inexperienced councillors in key cabinet positions overseeing complex portfolios and massive budgets.

Internal infighting and bullying behaviour
e.g., the example in the OP

Ignoring or failing to act on statutory duties
e.g., cancelling crucial committee, community and/or scrutiny meetings, delaying audits beyond statutory deadlines.

Making misleading claims about financial performance or savings e.g., publicising supposed millions in savings that were later disputed or unverified by finance officers.

Creating instability through frequent leadership changes e.g., multiple leadership resignations and reshuffles within months, causing confusion and disruption to governance continuity and costing the tax payer hundreds of thousands.

Intimidating or threatening council officers
e.g., implying that failure to comply with political instructions or information requests could result in disciplinary action.

Withholding or manipulating information from opposition members e.g., refusing to allow opposition councillors to review their doge report before publishing it and refusing to provide sources for the data within the report after accusations of it being misleading, superficial and derived from X not internal data.

But I'm sure you'll ignore all this and find a way
to defend them still 😅

Yes, I think I can.
Shall we start with the difference between MAN and WOMAN?

There is no council in the land that can manage it’s budget responsibly. Regardless of party. They have just proved they’re no better, despite the promises.

I don’t think you hate to say it at all, actually. I think you’re quite confident and comfortable in your views.

Yes - agreed. Polanski is a joke to laugh at. 😂. Not to be taken seriously.

I don't laugh at the KCC meeting referred to by the OP.

I hope it makes people realise that whilst other political parties in office have to a greater or lesser degree failed them, the answer is not Reform.