To think Andrew not being able to use his Duke title is just too little too late..

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And the way the media is seeing it as worthy of his behaviour just shows how the misogynistic establishment wins. I bet VG was not the only girl either and the Chinese spy not the only dodgy businessman

Nope he will never be known as prince in my house

One hopes that the RF Brand is quite tainted now, and may not recover.

I think by doing that the royal family hoped it would take the heat off them all but it actually opened the can of worms and there is no going back now.

Because if Andrew had done nothing wrong, why would they pay off that poor woman then banish him out of public duties and then remove his titles?

It just shows that they are concerned that the accusations are now going to stick.

William wasn’t mortified . Why would be ? William was happily photographed driving Andrew around several times after the scandal broke .

Andrew approached William at the Kent funeral with an easy familiarity . He looked shocked that William wasn’t reciprocating - William covered his mouth when he spoke .
Why do that if he was shunning Andrew ?
He was probably saying not now Andrew the plebs are watching

The all knew about Andrew just as they all knew about Mountbatten .
Fergie brought her daughters to Epstein’s prison release party.
He had been in prison for soliciting prostitution from a minor .

They knew that too . They went to his party . Let that sink in

I predict there will be further repercussions with the news of the orgy this morning. 8 young girls and him and Epstein

Stomach turning

I dont think my username has ever felt so apt.

We have been gaslit into believing that William and Charles have done something .

They haven’t done anything since the Andrew / Epstein scandal broke except repeatedly try to rehabilitate Andrew .

Now we are expected to believe Andrew still having his titles but choosing not to use them is ‘punishment’
William’s camp is desperately trying to claim William has shunned Andrew - we have photographic evidence to the contrary from 5 years ago when the scandal broke . But NOW he’s shocked ?! Lies .

I don’t believe Andrew is the only one in that family with a shameful past

And ps off topic but what happened to the ‘slimming down’ of the monarchy that Charles bread crumbed before he got the shiny hat ?They are taking more millions than ever from us.

They're all as bad as each other. They probably ALL have a few skeletons in the cupboard...and William is no better. He knew years ago about Andrew's disgusting behaviour and yet only now "appears " to be angry with him. Nah...I'm not falling for this utter bullshit.

He's known as sweaty, pervy, corrupt paedo in my house.

Lol - is that you, Randy "Paedo" Andy?

His mother left him money, plus loads of business deals over the years, and mixing with very wealthy people

This is far more than a few skeletons!

Cringe. Is that you Randy Andy?

I couldn’t agree more op!

The removal of titles has really only come about because of the publication of Lownie’s and VG’s respective publications and events in USA related to Epstein.

Lownie says the late QE2 was shown proof of Andrew’s corrupt behaviour from extremely credible sources while acting as Trade Envoy and no action was taken!

The RF have been trusted to regulate their own affairs for far too long and it’s been a disaster!

So the RF has been dragged - as usual - kicking and screaming to this position. Far too little. And far too late.

Tragically; far, far, far too late for Virginia Giuffre and the other trafficked girls.

And no way Andrew should have been allowed to make that dreadful statement that didn’t mention the victims once!

It’s obvious that there are far more revelations to emerge as well! Lownie was prevented from publishing a lot of his evidence for legal reasons. This is the tip of the iceberg imho.

Why is it too late for the other trafficked girls - and all the men they could name - or have they all been paid off to keep quiet and Prince Andrew is Trump's fall guy - hence all the publicity.

I think it was Helena Kennedy interviewed this morning on radio but she said he needs to move out of the limelight and suggested Switzerland - I think this might be because he can be extradited to the US if he is called to a trial there.

I wish he would clear off somewhere

@Teeteringpiles555the royal family has quite a lot to answer for here. Even now, they should be looking into a range of issues, but it appears they are not.

I think history will see this as the loss of veneration for the Royal family which I think possibly started with the death of QE2. I think the death of that monarch left the rf a lot more open to scrutiny and what would never have come to light 20 years ago is definitely doing so now. King Charles and indeed parliament need to read the room in the country and look to all possible methods to expunge Andrew.

Well I sincerely hope it isn’t too late for the others!

But Lownie explains that many of them are now older mothers with jobs and families who understandably don’t want to revisit that time in their lives or have to deal with the attendant publicity.

PA’s nefarious activities with women, many of whom were trafficked or very young, were known by lots of people, including civil servants who observed the procession of young women to his hotel rooms on foreign trips. This should all have been stopped a lot sooner but he was protected by his royal status.

It’s all backwards isn’t it? You’d think the status of being royal and all of the privileges it brings would have somehow instilled a higher standard of behaviour, and we’ve certainly been led to believe that Buckingham Palace affairs are run with integrity and old fashioned common sense,

We have trusted that notion of civility, probity and gold standard excellence for so long and yet when any serious journalist scratches the surface, against great opposition I might add, something completely different is revealed.

I’m sorry but we simply can’t trust the RF to run their own affairs any more. We have all been guilty of far too much deference. We can’t trust their financial affairs and now it seems we can’t trust their moral standards either. Nor it seems can we trust them not to break the law and cover it up!

If we ever wondered why so much secrecy surrounds this institution, I think we now know!

** by moral standards I don’t mean phalandering; they have always done that! I mean sexual abuse and corruption. Actual law-breaking.

You can never satisfy the appetite of a baying mob in a feeding frenzy.

All of this

I think that’s a little unfair.

The British public have been respectful and deferential for a very long time! Too long in fact!

Remember if Buckingham Palace had their way, and Epstein’s activities had not come to court, then Prince Andrew would have got away with this and we would have been none the wiser! That’s what the palace wanted fhs! It didn’t care a jot about the plight of young vulnerable women! QE2 then allegedly paid £12 million to try and make it go away again.

Also, if by “baying mob” you mean those of us who have read Andrew Lownie’s book, it’s very carefully researched, his information comes from first hand accounts with many named sources. It’s serious journalism. And remember he faced huge opposition and was blocked at every turn when writing it.

By doing the research and sticking his head above the parapet, unlike many obsequious historians, he has done the British public a great service. And if I was a royalist, which I am not, I think in time I would come to believe that he has done the royals a good service too, because they need to be far more transparent and accountable in order to survive.

I’ve a couple of questions :

-Why are we being told that the government is taking their lead from the Windsors re the Andrew scandal ?? Have we elected representatives or have we not ? Is parliament sovereign or is it not ?

-Does Andrew get his security paid for - do his ex wife and his daughters get their security paid for ? They seem to travel a lot to the Middle East . Don’t say ‘Charles pays’ because that means we pay . And over and above that - Charles pays for Andrew, despite knowing about his abuses for a decade at least ?

Totally agree. Think it’s refreshing that the Lib Dem’s are considering getting it raised in parliament for discussion. We should not be paying for sex pests