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To think Andrew not being able to use his Duke title is just too little too late..

103 replies

Attictroll · 18/10/2025 12:33

And the way the media is seeing it as worthy of his behaviour just shows how the misogynistic establishment wins. I bet VG was not the only girl either and the Chinese spy not the only dodgy businessman

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ILoveMyCaravan · 19/10/2025 16:24

didntlikeanyofthesuggestions · 18/10/2025 12:36

Prince Andrew. Please give him his full name.

Quite right…

Paedophile Andrew.

Ihateboris · 19/10/2025 16:42

ILoveMyCaravan · 19/10/2025 16:24

Quite right…

Paedophile Andrew.

Corrupt, paedophile Andrew. Feel free to add more...

Ukisgaslit · 19/10/2025 16:55

Allseeingallknowing · 19/10/2025 16:18

The title of Prince can’t be removed, apparently.
Why did the media say it was Andrew’s decision not to use his titles? He had no say. The King ordered him not to, in no uncertain terms, I bet.

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IHRTFT but the title can be removed.
Parliament can remove a title just as they can remove the whole bloody lot of them !

The Windsors will fight tooth and nail to prevent the removal of prince title though as then we’d see how easy it is .
And we’d do it again.
And slowly even the most obtuse royalist would see how pointless carrying on the charade would be

Ukisgaslit · 19/10/2025 17:11

Sorry - my mistake . I see it was prince not duke.

So I’ve been wondering about this . Duke is an ‘honorific’ - this depraved lot love to honour each other . And prince can’t be removed while we have a monarchy ? Is that the thinking ?

But I’ve also read that both parliament and Charles have to agree to remove the title !
Aren’t we always told that parliament is sovereign? Can parliament not act unilaterally to remove titles ?

And exactly who is resisting removing the title here ?

Ive always believed that the Windsors had much more power than we are led to believe . This whole Epstein / Mountbatten / Duchies abuse is sickening - and they are untouchable. They are laughing at the public making PR puff gestures to stop the complaints .
Even while the Epstein scandal was fresh Willaim was seen with Andrew in the front seat of his car . He had no issue with him. Again seen driving him around the time of Elizabeth’s funeral

Now we are being fed the line that William shuns him ! He’ll cut him off!
Yeah right . More lies

Ihateboris · 19/10/2025 18:28

This is interesting...
..that poor, poor woman.

To think Andrew not being able to use his Duke title is just too little too late..
TankFlyBossW4lk · 19/10/2025 21:28

Allseeingallknowing · 19/10/2025 16:18

The title of Prince can’t be removed, apparently.
Why did the media say it was Andrew’s decision not to use his titles? He had no say. The King ordered him not to, in no uncertain terms, I bet.

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It can be removed, but it requires an act of parliament

stonebrambleboy · 19/10/2025 21:52

When Biden was president why weren't the Epstein files released. If they implicated Trump surely the Democrats would have released them.

stonebrambleboy · 19/10/2025 21:56

TankFlyBossW4lk · 19/10/2025 21:28

It can be removed, but it requires an act of parliament

I understood that removal of the Duke title required an act of Parliament but the Prince title can't be removed as he is the son of a Queen.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 19/10/2025 23:46

Andrew is vile and I absolutely believe that he should be prosecuted for what he did, as VG clearly wasn't in a position to give her consent and there can be little doubt that he knew that. However, I'm not really sure why people are calling him a paedophile - is any evidence in the public domain that points to this?

The fact that VG was only 17, and not much older than Andrew's daughters at the time, is disgusting, but that in itself doesn't point to paedophilia.

TankFlyBossW4lk · 20/10/2025 06:00

stonebrambleboy · 19/10/2025 21:56

I understood that removal of the Duke title required an act of Parliament but the Prince title can't be removed as he is the son of a Queen.

Hi. I have copied this from the Guardian explainer.
"To forcibly remove a dukedom would take an act of parliament, and would represent such a historic move in full view of the public – it has not happened to a senior royal in more than 100 years – that it would most likely cause more reputational damage for the royals.
Andrew is also still a prince. When he was born in 1960, he was automatically such as the son of a monarch. This could only be changed if a letters patent was issued by the king."

Tbh, the more I read, I see the less that has actually been done. He gets to retain the Dukedom and the title Baron Killyleagh. The Duke thing is in abeyance. Which basically means he doesn't use it. I'm not sure that in practice anything has actually happened but he's been told off for making the family look bad and the press have made it into a thing.

I'm not really sure what having a Dukedom means you get, apart from the title HRH. I suspect he'll use that anyway, because it seems that he's meant to be quite petulant about this sort of thing. What's the "promise I won't use my title" worth from chap like him.

Honestly, it seems to me that this family just gets to call each other special names, that presumably mean that you get special family privileges, like the first to serve yourself pudding or something. There must be some financial gain in it somewhere, because Andrew is avaricious but I can't see it. It's probably just his bro saying "you can't open anymore schools because...you know."

Viviennemary · 20/10/2025 06:04

Of course it is. He is still a Prince. Nothing has changed.

spoonbillstretford · 20/10/2025 06:10

menopausalfart · 18/10/2025 13:42

Wasn't he known as Randy Andy, at one point? Losing his titles is the least that should happen.

Yes, but the press loved him in the 1980s. It wasn't a criticism. Meanwhile any girls who were being abused and exploited would have been a "wild child". Their misogyny ran deep and I have certainly not forgotten or forgiven them.

mids2019 · 20/10/2025 06:27

VG described an orgy at which PA attended describing foreign girls as 'young'. Read into that what you will but this certainly does not look good. It seems that there were plenty of vile comments about the youth of the girls within Epsrein's ring.

I honestly think Epsteins circle thought they were too big to fail and almost became part of the global extablsihment, a sickening entitlement for wealthy and powerful men.

there is also a running theme through our history of the attitude of upper class men toward working class women which has never really gone away and this a prime example. The only difference is that in 2025 we have a society that deplores this kind of thing and is not deferent as in previous generaratiins.

Daisymay8 · 20/10/2025 07:00

Im all for. Him losing his titles but what about all the other sleazy old gits, I mean there must be tens of thousands out there.
To concentrate on one fall guy while the rest sit quietly in their lofty mansions. I feel it’s a deliberate attept to pretend the rest on Weinsteins lists were all playing tiddly winks.
This was 2001. The Sun stopped doing tooless pics of young girls in 2013 - I sort of feel the family are milking it - to sell the book? Make money?

The press etc are milking it - why aren’t they chasing other old men. I’ll be annoyed if the only man mentioned in VGs book is PA.

Daisymay8 · 20/10/2025 07:07

in fact if the only man mentioned is PA I’d wonder if the family has been paid off to keep quiet

DancefloorAcrobatics · 20/10/2025 07:07

Removing his titles is just a publicity stunt. It's not gonna hurt him as he's loaded anyway.... maybe making him give up 2/3 of his wealth to a charity that helps abused girls & woman would be a better option.

PollyBell · 20/10/2025 07:08

So he keeps it people whinge he gets rid of it people whinge

Ihateboris · 20/10/2025 07:08

For anyone interested, Nick Ferrari is now discussing the new book on LBC. RIP Virginia x

sashh · 20/10/2025 07:11

DiscoBob · 19/10/2025 14:46

Totally. It's clearly just to shut the press up because VG has a posthumous autobiography out I think. Trying to make out like they are totally shunning him.

It's a joke really. He probably has dirt on the rest of them who are undoubtedly almost as bad.

How does he even have his own independent money? It's not like anyone would ever employ him in any capacity.

I think he should have to live in an HMO with mould growing on the walls and a shared bathroom with twenty seven migrants.

Or alternatively the police could put him in Prison. Like they would've done if he was just a regular tax payer rather than an aristocratic oaf who's never contributed a penny to the good of society.

In fact he makes abolition of the RF seem increasingly reasonable.

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What have the migrants done to deserve PA?

Although it could stop the small boats.

AreYouSureAskedNaomi · 20/10/2025 07:11

Daisymay8 · 20/10/2025 07:00

Im all for. Him losing his titles but what about all the other sleazy old gits, I mean there must be tens of thousands out there.
To concentrate on one fall guy while the rest sit quietly in their lofty mansions. I feel it’s a deliberate attept to pretend the rest on Weinsteins lists were all playing tiddly winks.
This was 2001. The Sun stopped doing tooless pics of young girls in 2013 - I sort of feel the family are milking it - to sell the book? Make money?

The press etc are milking it - why aren’t they chasing other old men. I’ll be annoyed if the only man mentioned in VGs book is PA.

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I think from the details VG other men will be easily identifiable

AreYouSureAskedNaomi · 20/10/2025 07:13

*From the details VG gives

Sterlingrose · 20/10/2025 07:17

Let's not forget that darling Queenie fully supported her paedophile son and paid off a woman he never met for something he didn't do. The whole royal family are rotten to the core, time to abolish them.

Ihateboris · 20/10/2025 07:32

Sterlingrose · 20/10/2025 07:17

Let's not forget that darling Queenie fully supported her paedophile son and paid off a woman he never met for something he didn't do. The whole royal family are rotten to the core, time to abolish them.

Couldn't agree with you more.

MasterMind1982 · 20/10/2025 07:50

He’s horrific, did anyone see at the last public gathering (funeral) how he sidled up to Prince William - standing right next to him talking to him and William just looking mortified.

I imagine removing the Prince title is destabilising for a the institution that is the Monarchy, as it’s a birthright due to being born to the Monarch - who we are to believe was Queen as she was chosen by God.

DiscoBob · 20/10/2025 09:17

sashh · 20/10/2025 07:11

What have the migrants done to deserve PA?

Although it could stop the small boats.

Haha. I know, I'm sorry migrants. I only said that because he's such a snob. But yeah, Andrew could do what Reform only dream of in culling the influx of small boats?!