Fans banned from match

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WTAF?!

https://news.sky.com/story/maccabi-tel-aviv-fans-will-not-be-allowed-to-attend-aston-villa-match-amid-safety-concerns-13451240

Maccabi Tel Aviv fans banned due to safety concerns AGAINST them?

Since when is it ok to victim blame and penalise people who have done nothing wrong? Surely the right course of action would be either to ban ALL fans of both sides or better police the event?

So are Jews not welcome at sports games now? Because some people are racist bullies?

I genuinely can’t believe this has been allowed. Where does it end? Can Jews no longer safely access society? What if the risk is high elsewhere, will they be banned then?

What do you think? AIBU to think this is discriminatory and a slippery slope?

The evidence is what happened in Amsterdam.

So why have you spend pages worth of posts pretending it’s about fan behaviour?

I’ve raised the old firm multiple times. They don’t want to hear it because they’d rather pretend it’s some great antisemitic conspiracy and not just the banning of violent people.

Because it is? Why are you pretending the MTA fans are peaceful, and that there’s no precedent for banning violent fans?

Another point is that MTA shouldn’t be playing in these tournaments anyway. Israel is an Asian country.

But supporters of Hamas are acceptable it seems! If they anyone feels so strongly about what's happening in another country then they should go to that country to demonstrate but that takes cajones, something very lacking in the virtual signalling flag wavers,

I'm not sure the incident when Islamists chased people round the streets of Amsterdam, demanding to know if they were Jewish and beating them up if they suspected they were is helping your argument.

Read the post again. The violence is likely to be on both sides. I'm sure you'd welcome a pitched battle in your town between racist thugs of different stripes.

Its really worrying that people will go as far as to excuse what happened in Amsterdam to delude themselves into believing this is discrimatory. It makes you wonder what else they will excuse. Sexual violence in the name of war, for example.

You have to be pretty brainwashed to ignore the blatant evidence of football hooliganism by this club. It is scary..

Being anti Zionism ≠ being pro Hamas.

only if it’s by certain people.

being Israeli is apparently now a pass to behave however you want.

You're right, it doesn’t help their argument.

Anti-England, the totally acceptable ' ism ' !

The thing is that most people know it is not. It is just the loudest people who will publicly dismiss the most blatant evidence in some weird support of Israel. This is what makes it all look so dangerous and unhinged; conversations like this where extremists share their fundie views.

The behaviour of certain Dutch fans was unacceptable.

but why are you continually ignoring the violence from MTA fans beforehand?

So this is your motivation?

I’ve just come to the conclusion that the vast majority of them are one of three things

1. paid bots from the Israeli government. They use paid bots on social media to manipulate conversations
2. trolls saying the most extreme things possible generate conversation because they’re bored
3. genuine believers in what they’re saying, and just a little bit thick

I’ve been to at least 50 games in Eastern Europe or abroad involving Eastern European teams over the years. A few high/low points:

Every game I’ve ever been to in Russia, other than the World Cup which was a heavily sanitised affair due to Putin threatening local city Mayors, was punctuated with violence before the game and overt racism pretty much from start to finish.

England v Russia in Marseille

Poland away several times in Katowice and Warsaw

All of them were extremely violent affairs. As for racism well you can add virtually every England away game I’ve been to in Eastern Europe. Aside from the obvious ones already mentioned you can add Bulgaria, Croatia, Hungary, Belarus, Georgia to name a few.

People in the UK who are used to UK hosted sporting events really have no idea what things are like in many other countries when attending sporting events over there.

My motivation is to push back against the utter hysterics because something has happened that you don’t like.

it is my personal belief that Israel should face harsher consequences for what it has done. I don’t believe they should be playing in European tournaments because they’re not a European country.

Eastern Europe.

so totally irrelevant to the conversation about western football.

I find your first line fits your posts tbf.

My DB, who was a "football casual" back in the '80s, likened the Maccabi fans to Millwall too.

And this decision won't have been taken lightly. The advisory group for my local club included the fire brigade, ambulance service, a local authority buildings person and a senior legal officer, as well as the club, and they all had an equal say in what was safe and reasonable. I very much doubt that the police have made this decision unilaterally.

But we all know this isn’t the reason why they’ve been banned in this particular case, so please stop gas lighting people into believing that’s the reason. Because it isn’t.

You are posting a lot but the people voting yanbu are in the majority.

Keir Starmer recognising Palestine as a state was jaw-dropping.
Massacre, torture, rape, kidnap, then get what you want. Yay!