Prince Andrew

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I just think everyone should know about these details, published yesterday:

‘Prince Andrew believed having sex with me was his birthright’: Virginia Giuffre on her abuse at the hands of Epstein, Maxwell and the king’s brother www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/15/prince-andrew-virginia-giuffre-abuse-epstein-maxwell?CMP=share_btn_url

It was reported that he gave them large money gifts. Grifter Fergie took them to his island and also took them to visit him to celebrate his leaving prison. The files from when Andrew was trade envoy need to be opened and scrutinised.

Preparing to be flamed but I would be grateful if someone could explain as I’m a little confused to be honest.
It seems to be that the media is going after the royals and prince andrew.
There is no actual proof. A picture. A book that the person who wrote this cannot be questioned about. Just to add, I’m also not saying she is lying.
Her ‘evidence’ was dismissed by the prosecution against Gillaine Maxwell. Why?
There was no admission from the rioyal family but a payment was made. Still no admission.
Sarah Ferguson has also been now brought into things
I’m struggling to understand however why Donald Trump and other famous people who were greatly associated with Epstein and were seen in pictures also as to why they are they being not being persecuted.
May be I’ve missed something

I’ve wondered this too, does anyone know if Virginias book also names the other rich and famous men involved?

It’s getting beyond weird that Andrew is the only one

His name is the only one I've seen mentioned. VG didn't name the man who choked her, unfortunately. He was some vile person and I hope he does get named..
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If he really wanted to modernise the Monarchy in any way, as he says he does, he'd change it for Louis. Why do we need to add to the random Prince/ princesses? They can all be Lords/ Ladies if they are desperate for titles. I dont think he has any intention of reforming the Monarchy in any meaningful way or any way that doesnt involve them doing less work for more or the same money/ houses/staff etc.

You have no idea what his intentions are.

modernise the Monarchy

Now there's an oxymoron if ever there was.

He’s just a dirty old man. There’s plenty of them around. Not a criminal, just a very unpleasant character. So those hoping to see him imprisoned will be disappointed. Being morally bankrupt isn’t a crime.

And why did he put them at risk in that way. Quite terrifying really.

I think what needs to be focused on here is bringing Andrew and Sarah Ferguson to justice, in some way. I know that for arrogant, lazy, entitled people, the loss of titles and access is huge. However, there is a lot of damning evidence.
Andrew was on a taxpayer funded engagement for the NSPCC then he got on the Lolita Express and went to Epstein's Island?
It's all so sordid and vile, yet he seems to be escaping proper justice, sadly.

I think this whole debacle has held up a mirror to how the Royals have unimaginably different lives. Before social media, life was much easier for them. With power & privilege comes responsibility & people expect them to increasingly earn their keep not just to pay lip service.

Yes, @PinkPanther57 - there needs to be transparent accountability for all of them. Restrict titles and privilege to a few.
I find it extraordinary (among other things) that Sarah Ferguson was actually filmed offering access to Andrew for £500k, and nothing happened.

Maybe he doesn't value women that much ?

Andrew was on a taxpayer funded engagement for the NSPCC then he got on the Lolita Express and went to Epstein's Island?

You find yourself wondering at his motives ?

He just thinks they're "blood princesses" so will sail through life on a sea of wealth and privilege.

I have never "wondered at his motives".
I have no idea where you got that unsubstantiated notion from.
Quote me correctly or not at all.

Correction.

I find myself wondering at his motives. You do not.

Thank you for the correction and clarification 👍

Do you think that perhaps these protection officers were bullied and threatened by Arsehole Andrew ? Threatens with their jobs if they blabbed ?

Royal protection is quite cushy .... I think that's all you really need to know.

Would you risk a cushy spot for rocking the boat ? Especially when you were explicitly told before starting that "the most important part of the job is discretion" (nudge-nudge).

The quid pro quo should be you should stop your charge getting into "scapes".

This does raise more questions that I am sure could prove awkward if they were ever allowed to be asked:

1. Did the protection officers know what Andy was up to ? In which case how does aiding and abetting a criminal offence square with their duty as police officers first ?

2. Did the protection officers not know anything about Andys hobbies ? In which case how would they spot a 40-tonne HGV heading straight for him, such is the poorness of their vision ?

I suspect this may be why the Met has dived in ....

"Not a criminal" - not convicted in court, but in all likelihood he IS a criminal, a rapist.

Thankfully we don’t have courts and a justice system based on your personal feelings and your dislike of the person in question. You need evidence, and none will be forthcoming, so you’re on a hiding to nothing.

He’s not a rapist. She went on record specifying the amount she was paid, and that he didn’t rape her. The father she accuses of actually committing such criminal acts is suffering no social censure and giving interviews - interesting, no?

She wasn't in a position to refuse him. There's a legal word for that

You can’t present this as though it’s fact - it’s not, and you don’t know this to be true. You weren’t there, and you’re not the person in question.

“Not a criminal “ ?? Getting his tax payer funded protection officer to look into her private files and trying to discredit her is ILLEGAL. His files from when he was trade envoy need to be made available. They are currently closed. The royal family is excempt from Freedom of Information requests. There is too much secrecy around the finances of the royal family and this should change. Where did the £12 million come from and what did the royal family know but cover up ??