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How do Brits feel about the fact that President Donald Trump is angry at Kier Starmer for how he is mistreating the British people because Trump feels very protective of the Brits?

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Libra1509 · 15/10/2025 22:36

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DdraigGoch · 16/10/2025 22:54

pointythings · 16/10/2025 20:40

Correct, that average is distorted by the insanely rich. And you also need to remember that life in the US is expensive. Food costs are high. Things like internet cost much, much more than in the UK. And of course there is the massive cost of healthcare to consider. That money doesn't go far.

There's a big "keeping up with the Joneses" culture too, people heavily in debt because of cars and other consumer goods they cannot afford. This makes the GDP look high, but is an American with a maxed-out credit card to afford all of these luxuries really happier than (for example) a Dutch person who lives a much simpler life?

DdraigGoch · 16/10/2025 22:58

1dayatatime · 16/10/2025 22:42

I genuinely think that Keir Starmer is a decent person, however on dealing with the top two voter issues of the economy and immigration he is viewed to have completely failed.

Whereas I think that Trump is genuinely an unpleasant person but on the economy and immigration he is viewed as successful.

In short do you vote for a nice person that fails to deliver what you want or a nasty person that does deliver what you want.

Does deliver? Or does appear to deliver? Even Trump himself admitted long ago that the Democrats are better on the economy. The last time that the Republicans implemented punitive protectionist tariffs they caused the Great Depression.

localnotail · 16/10/2025 23:02

I feel like grabbing him by his neck POTUSSI

1dayatatime · 16/10/2025 23:22

pointythings · 16/10/2025 20:40

Correct, that average is distorted by the insanely rich. And you also need to remember that life in the US is expensive. Food costs are high. Things like internet cost much, much more than in the UK. And of course there is the massive cost of healthcare to consider. That money doesn't go far.

OK then on a median income the average US worker earns $58,136 and the average British worker $44,684.

If we use Purchasing Power Parity then it's $58,136 in the US compared to $52,132 in the UK.

But if we look at economic growth over the last 10 years including the last two years then the US economy consistently out performs the UK economy.

HoppityBun · 16/10/2025 23:43

Indifferent

DdraigGoch · 17/10/2025 01:12

1dayatatime · 16/10/2025 23:22

OK then on a median income the average US worker earns $58,136 and the average British worker $44,684.

If we use Purchasing Power Parity then it's $58,136 in the US compared to $52,132 in the UK.

But if we look at economic growth over the last 10 years including the last two years then the US economy consistently out performs the UK economy.

What can you actually buy with that income though? And what don't you even need to buy? With one's disposable income in the UK, healthcare is already included. In the US healthcare (post-Medicare cuts) can easily set you back $24k. In most parts of the UK, it's handy to have a car. In most parts of the US you would starve without one. So I can save a fortune by going car-free in the UK, without paying London prices for housing because plenty of places are walkable. In the US freedom-from-cars is a luxury available only to those who can afford to live along well-served transit routes in cities such as NY, SF, Boston and Chicago.

Jumpingthruhoops · 17/10/2025 01:27

Anthempart2 · 15/10/2025 22:44

I’m relieved he seems to have a soft spot for our country because he is POTUS and I don’t think ‘MAGA’ is going away any time soon.

A lot of people are utterly bereft he’s ended the conflict in Gaza.

Why would anyone be bereft that he's ended the conflict in Gaza? And those people call Trump a 'moron'... 🤔

Jumpingthruhoops · 17/10/2025 01:31

HarrisonsHair · 15/10/2025 23:13

Worse than the last Tory government? Really???

Yes, much, much worse than the last Tory govt! The man is a loose cannon.

OwlBeThere · 17/10/2025 01:33

I don’t give a shiny shit what Donald Trump thinks about….well anything really. The opinion of a sex pest, rapist, xenophobic, lying felon is of no consequence to me.

HarrisonsHair · 17/10/2025 07:27

Jumpingthruhoops · 17/10/2025 01:31

Yes, much, much worse than the last Tory govt! The man is a loose cannon.

Ok, but it what way exactly?

whattheysay · 17/10/2025 07:29

Trump does not give a shit about the Brits. He cares about looking like he cares more than Starmer

EmeraldShamrock000 · 17/10/2025 07:46

You would have to wonder.
He is actively trying to destabilise the UK by making a fool out of KS.
I'm surprised he hasn't hyped up Tommy Robinson with Reform.

He has his fingers in Ireland, promoting Conor mcgregor UFC, civil rape conviction, currently embroiled in his second rape case, inviting him to the Whitehouse, JDV and Elon hyping crazy Conor, far right activist.

He is destabilising Europe into a civil war.
I don't doubt that he hates mass immigration. He's tackling it badly.

1dayatatime · 17/10/2025 13:15

DdraigGoch · 17/10/2025 01:12

What can you actually buy with that income though? And what don't you even need to buy? With one's disposable income in the UK, healthcare is already included. In the US healthcare (post-Medicare cuts) can easily set you back $24k. In most parts of the UK, it's handy to have a car. In most parts of the US you would starve without one. So I can save a fortune by going car-free in the UK, without paying London prices for housing because plenty of places are walkable. In the US freedom-from-cars is a luxury available only to those who can afford to live along well-served transit routes in cities such as NY, SF, Boston and Chicago.

Firstly in answer to your question on what can you buy with that income? Thats what Purchasing Power Parity means.

Secondly in answer to your point on medical insurance, most Americans (Like many Brits) get their medical insurance through an employer at an average cost of $115 per month. If you didn't have access to this then personal insurance would be around $7k.

Regarding car ownership 78% of UK households had access to at least one car compared to 92% in the US. However car ownership is significantly cheaper in the US than the UK (fuel, price of vehicle, tax etc). So the average UK household pays more for car ownership than the US.

But whichever way you cut it the average US citizen is significantly wealthier than the average UK citizen and the US economy has and is growing significantly more than the UK economy.

Of course there is less inequality in wealth in the UK, but on average everyone is relatively poorer. And I think that the main difference is that Brits seem to prefer being poorer so long as someone else doesn't have a lot more money than them.

Serpentstooth · 17/10/2025 13:29

Netanyahu government minister has invited TR to Israel. His poor little neo-fascist brain must be spinning 'but, but, but, err . . . ' Trump's bunch of scammers are hand in hand with Netanyahu, they have a mutual agenda. Destabilising Europe is high up on it. They are all behaving as if law has no meaning, nationally and internationally. Presumably they all believe they will not be called to account for clear crimes. We should all be scared about the future. They're not leaving, elections or not. None of them. They're constructing our new reality.

DdraigGoch · 17/10/2025 14:40

Firstly in answer to your question on what can you buy with that income? Thats what Purchasing Power Parity means.

I am aware of what PPP is for, thanks. It is however of limited use when comparing the cost of living. We can work out the relative cost of a given commodity and say that it costs more in one place, but that's irrelevant if it's not actually necessary in the other place.

Regarding car ownership 78% of UK households had access to at least one car compared to 92% in the US. However car ownership is significantly cheaper in the US than the UK (fuel, price of vehicle, tax etc). So the average UK household pays more for car ownership than the US.

Americans drive much further (twice as far on average) and usually in less efficient vehicles so end up spending more. According to the Bureau of Transportation Statistics, the average American car costs $12k/year to own, maintain and run. The average British car costs £3.5k ($4.7k) to own/maintain/run per year. Assuming that you even need a car of course, there are 0.85 cars per American, only 0.6 per Brit because Brits are more likely to be living somewhere that going car-free or at least sharing one car with the whole household is a practical option.

But whichever way you cut it the average US citizen is significantly wealthier than the average UK citizen and the US economy has and is growing significantly more than the UK economy.
Of course there is less inequality in wealth in the UK, but on average everyone is relatively poorer. And I think that the main difference is that Brits seem to prefer being poorer so long as someone else doesn't have a lot more money than them.

Money doesn't buy you happiness. It does of course buy a better standard of misery but studies have shown that you'd need three times the income in the US to achieve a comfortable standard of living compared with the UK. Salaries in the US might be better at the top end, but an ASDA shelf stacker is far better off than a Walmart one.

Serpentstooth · 17/10/2025 14:55

Ah. Admiral Alvin Holsey of Southern Command has resigned. Doesn't want to be joining the criminal behaviour in the Caribbean. Good for him.

FourCatMama · 06/11/2025 00:34

Omg. The only person he cares about is HIMSELF!!!!!

Serpentstooth · 06/11/2025 10:04

Are you well OP? Hope so. We Brits are sorry to see what USA is becoming under the criminal elected to run their country. Your sympathy would be better directed that way. Brits are fine, pissed off is our natural state, no matter who is PM

StandFirm · 06/11/2025 10:09

Libra1509 · 15/10/2025 22:36

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Funniest post I've read in a VERY long time.

StandFirm · 06/11/2025 10:11

DdraigGoch · 17/10/2025 01:12

What can you actually buy with that income though? And what don't you even need to buy? With one's disposable income in the UK, healthcare is already included. In the US healthcare (post-Medicare cuts) can easily set you back $24k. In most parts of the UK, it's handy to have a car. In most parts of the US you would starve without one. So I can save a fortune by going car-free in the UK, without paying London prices for housing because plenty of places are walkable. In the US freedom-from-cars is a luxury available only to those who can afford to live along well-served transit routes in cities such as NY, SF, Boston and Chicago.

In many parts of the US it's not just handy to have a car, it's best to have one per adult ideally.

StandFirm · 06/11/2025 10:13

DdraigGoch · 17/10/2025 14:40

Firstly in answer to your question on what can you buy with that income? Thats what Purchasing Power Parity means.

I am aware of what PPP is for, thanks. It is however of limited use when comparing the cost of living. We can work out the relative cost of a given commodity and say that it costs more in one place, but that's irrelevant if it's not actually necessary in the other place.

Regarding car ownership 78% of UK households had access to at least one car compared to 92% in the US. However car ownership is significantly cheaper in the US than the UK (fuel, price of vehicle, tax etc). So the average UK household pays more for car ownership than the US.

Americans drive much further (twice as far on average) and usually in less efficient vehicles so end up spending more. According to the Bureau of Transportation Statistics, the average American car costs $12k/year to own, maintain and run. The average British car costs £3.5k ($4.7k) to own/maintain/run per year. Assuming that you even need a car of course, there are 0.85 cars per American, only 0.6 per Brit because Brits are more likely to be living somewhere that going car-free or at least sharing one car with the whole household is a practical option.

But whichever way you cut it the average US citizen is significantly wealthier than the average UK citizen and the US economy has and is growing significantly more than the UK economy.
Of course there is less inequality in wealth in the UK, but on average everyone is relatively poorer. And I think that the main difference is that Brits seem to prefer being poorer so long as someone else doesn't have a lot more money than them.

Money doesn't buy you happiness. It does of course buy a better standard of misery but studies have shown that you'd need three times the income in the US to achieve a comfortable standard of living compared with the UK. Salaries in the US might be better at the top end, but an ASDA shelf stacker is far better off than a Walmart one.

Walmart shelf stackers pretty much all have to rely on SNAP as their pay is so low. But SNAP has just been slashed by half in this government shut down so they're in a bad place.
Something like 40 million Americans rely on SNAP. It highlights the divide between rich and poor pretty well. And then people wonder why Mamdani won in NYC.

lljkk · 06/11/2025 10:26

I thought we were supposed to dislike KS because him & DJT are Burger Brothers. Make up your mind stirrers, I can't keep up.

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