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How do Brits feel about the fact that President Donald Trump is angry at Kier Starmer for how he is mistreating the British people because Trump feels very protective of the Brits?

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Libra1509 · 15/10/2025 22:36

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CocoaLife · 16/10/2025 18:07

Libra1509 · 15/10/2025 22:36

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Don’t be silly x

Naanspiration · 16/10/2025 18:08

OP is silent, wearing a MAGA cap and Farage t shirt maybe.

She knows the locations of all the asylum hotels.

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 16/10/2025 18:44

BIossomtoes · 16/10/2025 17:16

The Brown and Blair governments left the country in a very healthy state. Ideological austerity destroyed it. There was no need for it. Cameron’s government took an axe to public services and increased the national debt. God knows where the fuck all the money went.

I would say you are absolutely having a laugh but I think you actually believe what you have just written.
If you can’t see the long term damage caused by Blair and Brown ( or you are choosing not to) then there is nothing more needs to be said.

FreeTheOakTree · 16/10/2025 19:02

HedwigEliza · 16/10/2025 07:41

Thank God for Trump saying what needs to be said, and what a lot of us are thinking.

A few, only a few of you are thinking.

FourCatMama · 16/10/2025 19:04

He is a senile idiot. Who cares what he thinks or does?

BIossomtoes · 16/10/2025 19:19

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 16/10/2025 18:44

I would say you are absolutely having a laugh but I think you actually believe what you have just written.
If you can’t see the long term damage caused by Blair and Brown ( or you are choosing not to) then there is nothing more needs to be said.

I can see the long term damage done by 14 years of Tory cuts and chaos.

RafaistheKingofClay · 16/10/2025 19:23

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 16/10/2025 18:44

I would say you are absolutely having a laugh but I think you actually believe what you have just written.
If you can’t see the long term damage caused by Blair and Brown ( or you are choosing not to) then there is nothing more needs to be said.

If you look at it objectively I don’t think she is wrong. The economy was recovering nicely from the 2008 crash until Osbourne slammed the brakes on it with austerity. At which point there becomes a difference between how the U.K. was recovering and how the rest of the world did. It began to improve again only after he took his foot off the brake and eased austerity but by that point the U.K. economy was streets behind many others that were equally as badly affected by 2008. Then Brexit happened.

About half of Labour’s issue at the moment is they’ve tied themselves in knots with austerity 3, avoiding rises in working taxes and immigration in an attempt to not alienate the centre right Tory voters and the reform voters. Starmer doesn’t have the charisma to be able to string people along in the way Farage does. The Tories are screwed for the same reason + nobody has forgotten them running the country into the ground.

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 16/10/2025 19:34

RafaistheKingofClay · 16/10/2025 19:23

If you look at it objectively I don’t think she is wrong. The economy was recovering nicely from the 2008 crash until Osbourne slammed the brakes on it with austerity. At which point there becomes a difference between how the U.K. was recovering and how the rest of the world did. It began to improve again only after he took his foot off the brake and eased austerity but by that point the U.K. economy was streets behind many others that were equally as badly affected by 2008. Then Brexit happened.

About half of Labour’s issue at the moment is they’ve tied themselves in knots with austerity 3, avoiding rises in working taxes and immigration in an attempt to not alienate the centre right Tory voters and the reform voters. Starmer doesn’t have the charisma to be able to string people along in the way Farage does. The Tories are screwed for the same reason + nobody has forgotten them running the country into the ground.

Ok I’m listening to you.
The economy never genuinely recovered from 2008.
I hate to use that “kicking the can down the road” often used phrase but feel it’s true.
I do think the current government are in a difficult position but again this all flows originally back to what I keep saying.The change in the financial policies and immigration due to the policies of Blair and Brown.

Anthempart2 · 16/10/2025 19:38

BIossomtoes · 16/10/2025 19:19

I can see the long term damage done by 14 years of Tory cuts and chaos.

There would be damage no matter who was in. We went through a recession and cuts were a necessity, we were getting back on an even keel then Covid happened.

RafaistheKingofClay · 16/10/2025 20:04

I agree with you it never recovered. It may well have done had we continued with Brown as PM.

The immigration one is difficult. The birth rate in the British population of the U.K. is low. Below replacement rate. That is unsustainable without immigration. And not just skilled immigration unless you want immigrants doing the higher skilled jobs and British workers doing unskilled jobs.It was a big problem in the 90s. It will be a big problem again if we restrict immigration too much. I don’t think you can get away with a Christian fundamentalist approach to having more children here in quite the same way as you can in parts of the USA.

DdraigGoch · 16/10/2025 20:33

1dayatatime · 16/10/2025 10:03

This is not a comment on Trump specifically due to the long time frame covering several Presidents. But on how much more wealthy the average US citizen is than the average UK citizen. In 2008 the GDP per capita for the US and the UK was about the same. However since then the US economy has grown significantly whereas the UK has remained stagnant. Yes there are greater inequality issues but even if we take the poorest State in the US which is Mississippi then its GDP per capita is still higher than the UK. There are a number of reasons for this such as Brexit, low productivity, high inflation and a failure to bounce back from COVID.

https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/186814/economics/why-is-the-us-economy-doing-so-much-better-than-the-uk-economy/

GDP does not measure wealth, it measures turnover. It certainly doesn't tell you how much wealth is concentrated in the hands of the very few, nor how far your income will actually go.

lollypop42 · 16/10/2025 20:39

NessShaness · 15/10/2025 22:36

Trump is a twat.

so is starmer

pointythings · 16/10/2025 20:40

DdraigGoch · 16/10/2025 20:33

GDP does not measure wealth, it measures turnover. It certainly doesn't tell you how much wealth is concentrated in the hands of the very few, nor how far your income will actually go.

Correct, that average is distorted by the insanely rich. And you also need to remember that life in the US is expensive. Food costs are high. Things like internet cost much, much more than in the UK. And of course there is the massive cost of healthcare to consider. That money doesn't go far.

scorpiogirly · 16/10/2025 20:41

I just hope he can step in and do something or get someone who can.

KLD89 · 16/10/2025 20:48

The irony of one knob being angry at another knob for being knobbish 😭

DdraigGoch · 16/10/2025 20:55

Navigatinglife100 · 16/10/2025 12:28

Trump doesnt think. Ignore him.

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Miller does his thinking for him

DdraigGoch · 16/10/2025 20:57

LakieLady · 16/10/2025 12:40

I'm always puzzled by people who are anti-antifa.

If someone is anti- anti-fascism, does that automatically make them a fascist? It implies to me that a person who is opposed to anti-fascism must at least not have a massive objection to "the fash", as they were called in my day.

If the objection is to the methods and actions of the more extreme antifa elements, they kind of need a different word for the hardcore antifa who engage in the more extreme forms of direct action.

I mean, I'm against the sort of people who put in masks to hide their identity in order to abuse others (like the "antifa" TRAs who have harassed women in the past). At this moment in time though, it's ICE who are masking up.

DdraigGoch · 16/10/2025 21:01

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 16/10/2025 13:29

Quite.
Biden looked like he was asleep most of the time.
You didn’t know who was pulling the strings.

Who is pulling the strings at the moment?Because Trump doesn't even know what day it is.

DdraigGoch · 16/10/2025 21:03

Anthempart2 · 16/10/2025 13:31

You don’t know much about all of this bar what Jeremy Corbyn has been posting, do you?

This is a radical regional peace plan which somehow Trump has managed to pull off and get past every meaningful Middle Eastern leader. This is massive, and it isn’t just about Gaza either - of course we have to pray it holds but saying it’s fragile isn’t a reflection on Trump it’s a reflection on the parties involved. He’s a sexist pig and utterly tactless but what he’s done here is incredible to the extent Pakistan has nominated him for the Nobel.

I suppose you, and all the other Mumsnetters, know better though, much better as you’re cleverer people.

Cleverer than Trump? Trump who was described by Dr. Kelley as "the dumbest goddam student I ever had"?

FunMustard · 16/10/2025 21:08

I neither know nor care about anything that orange rapist racist twat has to say.

I don't know how anyone can take him seriously.

Nearly50omg · 16/10/2025 21:23

Starmer is more of a problem destroying the uk than Trump ever has been!

Serpentstooth · 16/10/2025 21:27

Yet. Give it time.

Nosurprisethere · 16/10/2025 21:56

Good job someone cares about us as one thing’s for sure Starmer and the Labour Party don’t.

DdraigGoch · 16/10/2025 22:38

Jamesblonde2 · 16/10/2025 15:38

I think it’s fine for Trump to agree with many of us, including that Starmer is about as much use as a chocolate fire guard.

People get upset that North Koreans have a bad time, why can’t any country’s leader express disappointment for a nation due to their leader? It’s normal isn’t it?

National leaders do not traditionally get involved in the politics of other countries. That's definitely not normal. Note how leaders around the world have been diplomatic towards Cheeto Benito, regardless of their personal feelings.

1dayatatime · 16/10/2025 22:42

I genuinely think that Keir Starmer is a decent person, however on dealing with the top two voter issues of the economy and immigration he is viewed to have completely failed.

Whereas I think that Trump is genuinely an unpleasant person but on the economy and immigration he is viewed as successful.

In short do you vote for a nice person that fails to deliver what you want or a nasty person that does deliver what you want.

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