What are Hamas playing at?

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It’s deeply worrying that Hamas haven’t returned all the dead hostages as agreed. I’ve seen comments saying it’s an impossible task given how Gaza has been reduced to rubble. But if that’s the case, they would have known they had lost the bodies. So why did they agree to return them if they knew they weren’t able to do so?

Are Hamas committing war crimes?

Justice will be done by the ICC, Im just wondering why people focus so much on prosecuting Israeli government figures and dont mention a jot about Hamas?

Thanks for that. That makes sense.

It would make sense that a population not governed by religious leaders would be free to choose or relax their stance.

That ones difficult isnt it

I often say the UK public got/get what we deserved following Brexit and austerity. We voted it in, we got what we wanted, our lives were shitted up but we deserved that because thats what we wanted.

Is there evidence Gazan's dont want Hamas or a Hamasalike?

It’s just Hamas being Hamas. They don’t want peace. They’re the antithesis of peace.

Because Hamas are already internationally recognised as a terrorist organisation? Netanyahu commits his war crimes under the veil of being a civilised government. Both leaderships are evil.

The “leaderships” on both sides are horrible. Hamas a militant group happy to murder many innocent civilians, with questionable commitment to any peaceful two state coexistence. Netanyahu a man under corruption charges, happy to murder innocent Palestianans in their tens of thousands with no desire for a two state solution, regardless of Hamas or no Hamas. Both sides are enemies of a lasting peace.

Just saw your post, mirrors mine exactly. Anyone who disagrees with this basic concept is no friend of lasting peace. There are so many atrocities and inflammatory statements from both parties it’s almost pointless to point them out at this side. Only people with a stilted agenda would deny the mutual atrocities. Devils on both sides currently. Hamas needs to go but there will be no lasting two state solution with extremists like Netanyahu in charge on the Israeli side.

Almost half of the population didn’t vote for Brexit so I think it’s hard for a lot of people to swallow we now have this situation, but yes I agree we are living with the decisions!

I have no idea how many Gazan’s support Hamas, however they haven’t been given a chance to change that in over 20 years, and I imagine a lot of Palestinians would be scared to admit they hate Hamas/regret voting for them? The ones who do still support Hamas, thats more complex I guess.

I still believe they deserve a chance for a decent government, to have a different way of life, being free and living in peace.

To be fair, many people were stripped of homes and land in the past 100 years, including MENA Jews and many other peoples. I don’t understand why the Palestinians are any different.

Netanyahu won't go. He will hold onto power. He knows as soon as his opposition get in he will be off the Hague to face the same fate as other genocidal dictators.

Ya, that's true I suppose there are a lot of opposing groups over there. A lot of what happens probably isn't publicised either. Ya, I suppose the bodies could have been sold on too, there could be bartering going on. Awful really

Yes. And Palestine has always been an occupied land. Again, why is that different now.

I can't believe anyone still thinks Hamas is going to go through with all the peace requirements without a hitch. They've no plans on giving up their weapons, either.

Well so is Australia, Cyprus, and I can think of more. It’s different because that’s what’s happened. Borders change, wars happen, people are exiled. Then the rebuild and move on. My family aren’t busy bombing Yemen or Poland demanding our homes back. We moved on, learned English, educated ourselves and built a new life in a new country. Israel is there, it’s not going to leave so we need to find a solution so that a few million Jews can live safely for once and a few million Palestinians can move on, stop trying to kill their neighbours and build a future.,

Yes I agree, I was making the same point.

Just pointing out that you have found him guilty of war crimes before he has been tried.

There has never been a country called Palestine. I know that doesn't suit your narrative, so I am happy to invite you to prove me wrong - with actual empirical evidence. It's more convincing than shouted slogans.

I haven't found anyone guilty. Charges have been made by the ICC, an arrest warrant has been issued, he should face them. If the facts are that he hasn't committed any war crimes then it should be a quick trial.

Where is Israel though? Do you not think that a huge part of the problem is that Israel keep trying to expand and annex more and more land? Why is Israel more important than Palestine, why is Jews living safely in Palestine (the occupied territory as recognised by the ICJ) more important than Palestinians living safely and free from apartheid(as recognised by the ICJ) in Palestine. Why can't these Jews just live in Israel, why do they feel the need to keep Palestinians under apartheid and violently displace them so they can live in Palestine too?

I mean the answer is obvious, Netanyahu said it - 'This place is ours', they believe that the land(Palestine) is theirs too, they don't want to just live in peace in Israel as it is now, they also want to have Palestine too. Why won't Israel 'move on' and stop bulldozing and shooting and bombing their way through the occupied territories and just live in Israel? Maybe some kind of re-education is needed, maybe they need to start using maps that actually show Palestine on it so they don't think they have right to live where ever they want and screw the people already living there?

You don't see why it's any different that Palestinians today are being turfed out of their homes at gun point so Israelis can have cheaper property? They should just smile and wave and accept it and trot off to Jordan or somewhere?

The UK government disagrees with you.

Here's Hamas in action

www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-said-to-kill-over-30-gazans-as-group-moves-to-reassert-its-grip-on-strip/?utm_campaign=most_popular&utm_source=website&utm_medium=article_end&utm_content=3

We all know Hamas will not release their grip on Palestinians. It lines their pockets, makes them rich, they have huge power over the people there and will kill them if they have to, to maintain their hold. At least Netanyahu protects his people and has fought tooth and nail to get the hostages back, dead or alive. Hamas couldn't give a toss how many Palestinians have died. We saw them kill their people in public yesterday. God only knows how many others they are killing which haven't been filmed. The Palestinians may have escaped one threat and are walking straight into another. Israel aren't their biggest threat here. The enemy lies within.

What narrative is that?

The area we call Palestine has always been an occupied land over centuries.

The Palestinians aren't hamas's own people, they've been shooting Palestinians execution style the same as they murdered Israelis. They don't care about Palestinians at all.