To now be increasingly concerned about illegal boat arrivals

[CalmShaker]

I've kept a level head with boat crossing arrivals but recently I've become concerned that there are some really unpleasant people being let in. This story was hard to watch on the news this evening;

Asylum seeker 'murdered hotel worker Rhiannon Whyte in frenzied attack' - BBC News https://share.google/qxzed2MD19TYPKasQ

I welcome genuine asylum but I don't believe that is what is happening anymore.
The story immediately before the above on national news this evening was the migrant who had threatened Nigel Farrage. I know Nigel is not the most popular of people but the migrant was horrid, clearly dangerous and not safe to be on our streets.
Financial cost and all other factors aside, it's the safety aspect that worry me most.

It’s probably best the wives don’t join them.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/08/angry-and-jealous-asylum-seeker-tried-to-cut-wifes-head-off/

Hi Nigel 👍

It's only been in place for a few weeks. Let's see. More people come on boats before the weather turns for winter, same reason we have more in the summer and on calm days.

Angry and jealous’ asylum seeker tried to cut wife’s head off
Wahib Albaradan said the murder of Salam Alshara ‘would have been an honour crime’ in Syria, court hears

What I said was important to me was remaining a country that accepts asylum seekers. The points listed in my last post are about how asylum seekers are managed once they have arrived. I should have added quick processing, BTW.

We aren't taking in a few million asylum seekers all needing intense support. Yes, they need some, but the other side of the coin, is the number who will fulfil jobs in services we desperately need, including the care sector and the NHS. You only have to visit a hospital to realise how dependent we are on immigration to keep the NHS going.

I also don’t understand those who don’t think this is an issue at all. Yes we already have our fair share of bad apples but, like someone else has said, why bring in so many more? These men are from some countries who have a very backwards view on women. There is a hotel housing some men near where I live and it’s common knowledge they go out at night in groups and try to find lone drunk young girls who have lost their friends. Is it really not an issue to some of you that they have killed, raped and sexually abused women, some children just because they aren’t all like that? And to those talking about a declining population and needing younger people, what makes you think the majority are here to work? If you know how to play the benefits system then you will get much more income from benefits than a minimum wage job! We already have too many people abusing the benefits system and I can assure you the amount of claims from other nationality’s is increasing by the day. Do you also know how many people go back to the place they “fleed” from on holiday? I am by no means saying we should not help genuine people but to say there’s no issue and we should just welcome anyone and believe everyone’s story is just something I can’t understand.

Do you work in a hotel full of male asylum seekers and leave work alone at 11.30pm at night? If yes then i would dispute that you’re more likely to be attacked or murdered by your dh, ds or db.

Impossible to say. Conveniently they don’t keep records on how many go on to simply claim benefits.

It’s the people ‘arriving illegally’ part, what do you mean? If someone arrives outside a safe route you can’t not process their application and stay within international law and convention.

nevermind.

Your knowledge is greater than mine. If there were legal routes, why would bona fide asylum seekers not choose to use them?

You're talking about it now. You can say anything you want about immigration within the confines of the law, nobody is stopping you.

I agree that having people crushed into horrid accommodation, with no money, unable to work and little monitoring is a recipe for disaster. Of course they'll 'hang around in groups', what do you expect them to do? That's the fault of the government for being completely unequipped to deal with them in a timely and efficient manner.

The issue would be demand, could you provide routes for everyone who wanted to use them and met the criteria? Can you envisage how many that would be.

The percentages of male migrants being charged with various offences is very high, I did read that in the Barbican hotel, over 55% of the occupants had been charged with crimes, that is very high and worrying. apparently the total of charges is around 140 on just 70 men. they need to be in a secure location until the case is heard, and removed if failed which rarely seems to happen in the uk. Other EU countries are a lot tougher...only a few apply in Latvia, Lithuania, Hungary and Poland...very little benefits and community service programmes to do jobs in the community while case is being heard.

to say there’s no issue and we should just welcome anyone and believe everyone’s story is just something I can’t understand.

Literally nobody is saying any of those things though.

Economic migrants who come illegally and lie. Plenty go back to their home country on holiday once the have indefinite leave to remain. Madness.

Agreed. I also think op you're also conflating things when you talk about genuine asylum in relation to this particular case... you can be in genuine need of asylum and do bad things. But equally being an asylum seeker does not mean that you'll do anything bad at all.

Some people in what id consider potentially most urgent genuine need of asylum will have the ones who've experienced horrific trauma, been witness to extensive brutality and violence, have then taken an extremely traumatic journey to get here and are also in the midst of an extremely stressful process with the home office. The system we currently have in place has a really negative impact on the mental health of asylum seekers and thanks to the difficulties with housing asylum seekers it also becomes harder for them to access consistent and accessible healthcare provision when they start to struggle, never mind issues around translation . Now obviously cases like this one are extremely rare but it doesn't mean this man was not in genuine need of asylum. Having read what you've linked I don't feel i have enough information on this case to make an informed judgement on what his mental capacity was at the time of the attack or any clear reason why it happened. It could have been a highly misogynistic attack driven by a hatred of women - or it could have been an episode of ptsd or psychosis. People who have experienced significant trauma can lash out - we have lots of people who fit that category who were born and raised here who you live alongside every single day who fly under your radar. The issue is that asylum seekers/ migrants of a particular background are more visible especially with all the current media pot stirring.

I work with a lot of young men who are seeking asylum/ have status as well as other types of migrants and particularly for the young men seeking asylum/ who have status to remain in my experience, most of them are leaving because of the extremism people here are attaching to them. They're very aware of the harmful impact on women and girls and actually they've been much quicker to engage meaningfully with work I do around EVAWG compared to local young men who I really struggle to get any engagement from at all. You're not wrong to be concerned when a violent, especially fatal attack is taken out on any woman, but attaching that to asylum seekers and suggesting we should blanket ban vulnerable people who really need access to safety is rooted in stereotype and scaremongering.

No, sorry. I don’t worry about this.

Yeah OP

Women get murdered anyway so who gives a shit about a few thousand undocumented men being added to our street every month?

Sigh

(I hope the family of the victim of this attack never have to read your blasé reply)

Yes they have. People have said on here they have no concerns at all.

The honest answer is that I don't know. As for numbers, based on current levels, 50,000 a year.

I think it's also important to remember that the asylum process takes years and even countries at war can have periods of relative calm where visiting becomes possible. If a brutal war erupted here and you had the means to flee, years later if things calmed enough for you to travel would you not go home to visit family who were unable to make the journey? Your elderly parents? Nieces or nephews? Sometimes people hold asylum seekers to a much stricter standard than is actually humane.

Stop reading dodgy stuff. We've got three places near us and there's never been a hint of trouble apart from the idiots protesting at these poor souls being here.
They're only here because the cutbacks over the last government stripped the departments that deal with applications. They're in the position they're in because of admin backlogs, nothing else.

Also just to add as well, there's now a lot of evidence to suggest that young vulnerable migrants, particularly those seeking asylum etc who are living in poverty since we don't allow them to work while they await status are at particular risk of criminal exploitation and child criminal exploitation. Many people affected by this will be engaged in some way with the justice system but it's also important to remember that they are also victims at the same time. It's a new demographic that criminal gangs are exploiting just as they do children in care or any other young adults in poverty with limited support networks etc.