To now be increasingly concerned about illegal boat arrivals

[CalmShaker]

I've kept a level head with boat crossing arrivals but recently I've become concerned that there are some really unpleasant people being let in. This story was hard to watch on the news this evening;

Asylum seeker 'murdered hotel worker Rhiannon Whyte in frenzied attack' - BBC News https://share.google/qxzed2MD19TYPKasQ

I welcome genuine asylum but I don't believe that is what is happening anymore.
The story immediately before the above on national news this evening was the migrant who had threatened Nigel Farrage. I know Nigel is not the most popular of people but the migrant was horrid, clearly dangerous and not safe to be on our streets.
Financial cost and all other factors aside, it's the safety aspect that worry me most.

however they are costing the UK a lot of money and resources and I don’t think they should be allowed to come in this way anymore

This is in news tonight about the Afghan who threatened Nigel Farage...huge list of crimes and on the run from Swedish police, in jail at our expense !

His terrifying record ranges from sexual abuse of a child to animal cruelty, repeated drugs offences, knife crimes, threatening behaviour, theft and fraud.
Husseini claimed asylum in the UK on the basis that his life was in danger from the Taliban in Afghanistan - when in reality he was fleeing justice in Sweden, where he was wanted for two more offences of carrying a knife and sexually harassing a schoolgirl.

What percentage of males form these countries would you imagine have views that aren’t dangerously misogynistic?

We've also been knee deep in a mental health crisis ( caused by economic issues) and a loniless epidemic - what are incomers integrating to?

A lot of new commers would be heading to ethnic enclaves like London, Luton, Birmingham where you don't need to speak English.

How is this benefitting anyone apart from immigrants community's in the short term.

And how is this fair to the families who are pushed out of places they've been in for a few hundred years? And the urban sprawl that's happening as a 'solution'

Are you talking about immigration or asylum seekers? You know that less than 4% of people coming into the country are what they call "irregular" and the rest have come here legally?

Isn't this whataboutery?

It's of no relevance that a domestic incident is more likely.

It's a shame that the agreement we had with the EU was destroyed by Brexit because that was working. We need a new agreement now.

Currently now, no people aren't in integration due to the massive increases.
I live in a multicultural area that has a great community, we all mix, all the DC all play together, the parents chat.

Most of the people came as families, this is different, a lot of these men are running for another reason. Granted, many are probably perfectly safe, given the recent social problems, people are cautious.

It's not the immigrants fault, it's the lack of action by the government ls, no background check, finger printed, with running it through a European data base, come on.

It is only after the fact that the news of previous conviction or deportation order comes to light.

You need to post the asylum claims pre Brexit around 2002. You’ll see it was as high.

Plus other EU countries still in can’t resolve this either with the Dublin Agreement. Read @EmeraldShamrock000posts on this thread for a start.

If you believe your post suggest why Germany and ROU don’t just send people back.

Most of the immigration is not people arriving on small boats though. There has been a huge surge post Brexit. Which was widely predicted by "project fear."

It's a really complex issue and there are no easy fixes whatever Farrage says.

If you believe your post suggest why Germany and ROU don’t just send people back.
I don't know the reason but it seems none of the European countries have control or the ability to send anyone back.
Most hotels are closed to the public, small businesses around them are closing, no profits, no housing, cost of living through the roof.
There is many Ukrainian DC in my children's school, parents working, they live in the local hotels in the city centre, the bus collects the DC, they have no rent, no electricity or heating bills, hotel food.
It makes people frustrated.
I wouldn't like to live in a hotel myself but my purse would be heavier.

They don’t the mechanism isn’t there for high numbers to go back, and fingerprint databases that get lauded on here won’t do much either. The DA isn’t a deterrent.

ROI shows the Brexit type posts are misleading and / or misinformation.

A woman was also raped by 3 asylum seekers on Brighton beach a couple of weeks ago.

The fact that it was possible was enough to put people off small boat crossings. It's not that it was being used.

I don't know enough about what is happening in Germany to comment on that. They have a very different set of circumstances than us though. Not least because they are part of the Schengen Area.

It was high in 2002 but that wasn't small boats and it had come down in the intervening 20 years.

ROI shows the Brexit type posts are misleading and / or misinformation.
Maybe misleading.
There are mirror issues across Europe, my Dsis spends a lot of time in Paris, my friends in Spain, all feel similar to the people in the UK.
Denmark is paying people to leave, Irish governments suggested offering €10,000 if an applicant drops their claim.
Ladies in the Netherlands are carrying a red handbag to remember Lisa, Google it. 😪 17 years old.

Boats are regularly arriving at Spanish beaches and the islands, last month, the boat arrives in Almeria, they ran through a hotel lobby, got in a fight, one was left dead beside the pool.
I'm going to stop now..🫣
www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/world/2113125/british-tourists-left-shocked-migrants/amp

Why do you rely on the not small boats as meaning much? Either the DA stopped people or it didn’t, and we could send people back or not. The method of entry doesn’t make a difference.

Plus all countries still in can’t use the DA either. Can you see that’s the case?

No it didn’t put people off and still doesn’t for other countries. It’s really not correct.

And these are the types we want here?? The mind boggles.

There is a joke you might have heard of

There are two people in a wood, and they run into a bear. The first person gets down on his knees to pray; the second person starts lacing up his boots. The first person asks the second person, “My dear friend, what are you doing? You can’t outrun a bear.” To which the second person responds, “I don’t have to. I only have to outrun you.”

Sending them back is a sticking plaster rather than the cure.

As a country we do not put all our efforts into sending them back. We need to focus on making it less appealing for them to come here in the first place. Rather than putting them up in plush hotels where they are free to come and go but instead detaining them in shall we say less luxurious accommodation will be a good start.

When it is more appealing to stay in mainland Europe we will see the numbers coming down by default. They are of course free to submit applications of asylum from their base in Europe.

I'm telling you I don't have anyone in my life that feels that way.

You may well do. It's all about the echo chambers we live in.

I don't have racists in my echo chamber. You do. Fair enough.

Maybe you live in an affluent area completely cushioned from the horrific consequences of tens of thousands of undocumented, unemployed men from cultures that deem it reasonable to cover and silence women and hold them legally accountable for their own rapes or sell them to older men, but for the people who don’t, and could never afford to move to your areas, it’s a problem. The women who are harassed daily by these men. The women who assaulted by these men. The women who have been murdered by these men, and their surviving children.

And calling those people names is the epitome of champagne socialism.

Your disdain for the lower classes is sickening.

What are you including here? What do those people all agree on? We should keep the current trafficking system and no controls for crime on that journey or entry?

It's being reported this morning that Tony Blair has called for anyone entering the country illegally to be barred from making a claim for asylum, though I can't find the direct quote where he states this.
Potentially very embarrassing for Labour, as this aligns with Sunak's position in 2024 - the legislation that they chucked out after days in office. But to me this is the only approach that makes sense. Currently anyone coming from any country that is deemed 'unsafe' knows, from the minute they are placed in a Border Force vessel, that they will be staying in the UK. That's why they make the journey and fight to get onto the dinghies on French beaches. Our current laws are enabling it.