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To think that it's about time islamic fundamentalism is dissected and challenged

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diddlysquatagain · 13/10/2025 19:58

Did anyone read the very interesting article by Matthew Syed (sorry if behind a paywall) - Sunday Times: 'One thing has been holding back the Middle East for centuries':
https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/middle-east-religious-fanaticism-iran-kcvh5knn3

"The Middle East was once the centre of the intellectual world. Then it went into reverse. The problem then, as now, is Islamic fundamentalism. No peace or prosperity is possible until the madrassas and other machines of indoctrination are confronted"

One thing has been holding back the Middle East for centuries

Religious fanaticism has been catastrophic for a region that was once the intellectual hub of the world

https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/middle-east-religious-fanaticism-iran-kcvh5knn3

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JHound · 14/10/2025 14:06

Ddakji · 14/10/2025 13:59

Did you read the article?

I am not paying to read the article

And it has nothing to do with my specific response to a specific comment made by a specific poster.

JHound · 14/10/2025 14:08

Lobas · 14/10/2025 11:25

Inconvenient truths indeed. Why are we always talking about one group in this country? Ie the grooming gangs, terrorism etc.

You never hear people having an issue with Sikhs or Hindus.

It’s all “rAcISm”, isn’t it?

Edited

And? So muslims are overrepresented in the prison population? That justifies anti-muslim sentiment?

What % of the entire muslim population is in prison

Pugzy · 14/10/2025 14:08

JHound · 14/10/2025 14:00

All muslims think this? All of them?

Thats what the Quran say they should think and I don't know many muslims who activly question the teachings of the quran.

I live in a highly populated muslim area so do know lots of them.

Ddakji · 14/10/2025 14:10

JHound · 14/10/2025 14:06

I am not paying to read the article

And it has nothing to do with my specific response to a specific comment made by a specific poster.

Well, I think it does, and as I have read the article I think I’m better placed to say so. Though I’m not sure the person you’re replying to has read the article either, judging from her comments.

Here’s a share token so you (and @AdvicePleas) can read it for free.

One thing has been holding back the Middle East for centuries

www.thetimes.com/article/f37d8129-6187-4f52-b4ca-d1b46c312b9d?shareToken=d1d09d50ca8f4997f4c47a1017b88849

JHound · 14/10/2025 14:12

Pugzy · 14/10/2025 14:08

Thats what the Quran say they should think and I don't know many muslims who activly question the teachings of the quran.

I live in a highly populated muslim area so do know lots of them.

Where in the Qu’ran does it say “all muslims should think this”?

And even if a holy book gives an instruction where is your data that this is what all muslims think?

Oh I see you “live in a highly muslim populated area” and they all told you this is what they think.

Cool.

Pugzy · 14/10/2025 14:13

JHound · 14/10/2025 14:00

All muslims think this? All of them?

I was raised Catholic. The catholic religion teaches homosexuality is a sin, I do not believe that so I LEFT Catholicism.

If the vast majority of muslims didn't believe what the Quran teaches they would leave the religion. They stay because they believe the teachings.

JHound · 14/10/2025 14:14

Ddakji · 14/10/2025 14:10

Well, I think it does, and as I have read the article I think I’m better placed to say so. Though I’m not sure the person you’re replying to has read the article either, judging from her comments.

Here’s a share token so you (and @AdvicePleas) can read it for free.

One thing has been holding back the Middle East for centuries

www.thetimes.com/article/f37d8129-6187-4f52-b4ca-d1b46c312b9d?shareToken=d1d09d50ca8f4997f4c47a1017b88849

Still has nothing to do with my specific response, to a specific post by a specific poster.

But thanks anyway.

JHound · 14/10/2025 14:14

Pugzy · 14/10/2025 14:13

I was raised Catholic. The catholic religion teaches homosexuality is a sin, I do not believe that so I LEFT Catholicism.

If the vast majority of muslims didn't believe what the Quran teaches they would leave the religion. They stay because they believe the teachings.

Ok (the bit about trans being punishable by death is very funny considering the country that conducts the 2nd highest number gender transition/confirmation surgeries.)

With actual genuine stuff to critique why just engage in make believe.

Pugzy · 14/10/2025 14:17

JHound · 14/10/2025 14:12

Where in the Qu’ran does it say “all muslims should think this”?

And even if a holy book gives an instruction where is your data that this is what all muslims think?

Oh I see you “live in a highly muslim populated area” and they all told you this is what they think.

Cool.

Edited

I see the men going to mosque, the women arwnt allowed in there.

I reported my neighbour as a victim of domestic abuse as she was hanging out of the window asking me to go to the icecream van for her kids as she is LOCKED in the house during the day. I was so shocked. The police said it is her culture and they cannot get involved!

Hiw is this allowed? Domestic abuse is domestic abuse regardless of anyones ethnic background of religious beliefs!

Pugzy · 14/10/2025 14:19

JHound · 14/10/2025 14:14

Ok (the bit about trans being punishable by death is very funny considering the country that conducts the 2nd highest number gender transition/confirmation surgeries.)

With actual genuine stuff to critique why just engage in make believe.

Edited

Because homosexual men are murdered for it, so it is seen as 'safer' to try and pass as trans than be gay.

EasternStandard · 14/10/2025 14:20

JHound · 14/10/2025 13:57

I am so sorry you have to deal with this kind of thing here and in society as a whole.

I am exhausted by the constant Islamophobia and I am not even religious so I cannot imagine how it must feel actually being muslim. All I can say is not everybody sees Islam and muslims as this great threat to our very existence.

And nor does every subscribe to collective responsibility / viewing all muslim people as a monolith.

Not much else to add aside from that.

I’m glad people can discuss religions openly on mn. Especially since women and girls are impacted.

Bigpinksweater · 14/10/2025 14:30

TheWiseAmethyst · 14/10/2025 12:22

We are not deeply ashamed to be concerned for our children's future, nor are we racists, bigots or islamaphobic.

Every time anything like socially enforced embarrassment comes toward me, I think of my daughter and how this country would look if we carried on and it soon vanishes.

Nobody else is at all embarrassed to further their own cultural ‘needs’ are they? They don’t feel an iota of embarrassment as they stand up in front of the whole country to advocate marrying your cousin and having disabled children, to ensure their ‘culture’ is protected and the men can retain their status. So why the fuck should we feel embarrassed, in our own country?

I find it very hard how everyone coming here insists our small island become a melting pot of culture at the expense of our own, while carefully preserving their own culture in their country of origin which they would be HORRIFIED if Westerners moved there en masse and insisted on churches, pubs, bars and mixed sex events.

Bigpinksweater · 14/10/2025 14:31

EasternStandard · 14/10/2025 14:20

I’m glad people can discuss religions openly on mn. Especially since women and girls are impacted.

On Mn, yes. Do it in real life and you can expect grievous bodily harm, as Hamit Coskun found out.

abracadabra1980 · 14/10/2025 14:33

@TheWiseAmethyst has she really? I wasn't aware of this. Poor woman and an utter disgrace to be put I that position in this day and age and in this country. Proves my point entirely. To be honest, again it's just my opinion, I think religion should be outlawed until all children are 18 years old and able to choose for themselves if they so wish. I feel for a large proportion of the world, it's a form of 'family' brainwashing. I'm so grateful my parents were more open minded than to force me into any religious beliefs other than to have decent morals and respect for my fellow human beings and the planet. Would maybe solve a lot of problems going forwards for a few generations.

Bigpinksweater · 14/10/2025 14:35

It doesn’t matter if it’s ’technically not in the Koran’.

What matters is the fact this is the umbrella under which seriously sketchy behaviour is excused away in Britain in 2025.

If Christians, Sikhs or Hindus started acting like this tomorrow. You can bet we would be out in force railing against it.

Bigpinksweater · 14/10/2025 14:39

Bigpinksweater · 14/10/2025 12:02

Thankfully we no longer have to tiptoe around a human rights issue due to accusations of bigotry. Islamism in the UK has:

  1. Been responsible for 80% of terror attacks in the UK and killed 100 people since the Millennium as well as injuring thousands
  2. Seen mobs surrounding primary schools demanding their own strict moral code should be taught within schools and threatening teachers who do anything they don’t like with regards to Islam. One teacher is in hiding
  3. Seen other people stabbed or grievously injured for exercising their right to free speech about Islam
  4. Enabled a culture whereby non-Muslim white girls were raped en masse while the perpetrators aggressively used their race and religion to scare the useless authorities into not investigating. Communities turned a blind eye.
  5. Created unsafe zones for women around asylum hotels where the majority of men are from Islamic countries where women are seen as inferior beings
  6. Forced us to accommodate non-British customs in the name of ‘tolerance’ such as barbaric animal slaughter
  7. Seen ‘our’ politicians of Muslim heritage all but abandon their constituents the moment the Gaza war broke out in favour of relentlessly campaigning for Hamas Palestine, while calling everyone else racist for not taking as much interest in the conflict as they’re white (pot kettle?).
  8. Seen similar politicians campaign for cousin marriage which is creating 5,000 disabled children a year with a low quality of life and who the British taxpayer is forced to finance, as well as trapping more women into caring duties because the men won’t be doing any of it

Need I go on?

And just to add 🗣️THEY ARE ALL MEMBERS OF ‘YOUR PARTY’. This so-called ‘political party of socialists’ is a Trojan Horse to sneak through Middle East foreign policy that would destroy Britain🗣️

Gorse · 14/10/2025 15:09

Pugzy · 14/10/2025 14:17

I see the men going to mosque, the women arwnt allowed in there.

I reported my neighbour as a victim of domestic abuse as she was hanging out of the window asking me to go to the icecream van for her kids as she is LOCKED in the house during the day. I was so shocked. The police said it is her culture and they cannot get involved!

Hiw is this allowed? Domestic abuse is domestic abuse regardless of anyones ethnic background of religious beliefs!

We have one of these poor souls nearby, Afghan, she's locked in every time he goes out. She's not even allowed in the garden to hang washing up. Not allowed to answer the door. 3 sons and another on the way (sex unknown yet). Her husband is out and about all day stalking females. He's been arrested several times for approaching women, my friend has him on her ring doorbell wanking outside her house. She's in her 80s, for god's sake! She's thinking of moving now. Yes, he's probably mentally ill, but he just shouldn't be here.

Bigpinksweater · 14/10/2025 15:14

Gorse · 14/10/2025 15:09

We have one of these poor souls nearby, Afghan, she's locked in every time he goes out. She's not even allowed in the garden to hang washing up. Not allowed to answer the door. 3 sons and another on the way (sex unknown yet). Her husband is out and about all day stalking females. He's been arrested several times for approaching women, my friend has him on her ring doorbell wanking outside her house. She's in her 80s, for god's sake! She's thinking of moving now. Yes, he's probably mentally ill, but he just shouldn't be here.

Deport him.

Woman and kids can only stay if they are unable to make applications to get him back, and make it clear he is not allowed to the UK to visit them.

Pigeonpoodle · 14/10/2025 15:26

Pugzy · 14/10/2025 14:13

I was raised Catholic. The catholic religion teaches homosexuality is a sin, I do not believe that so I LEFT Catholicism.

If the vast majority of muslims didn't believe what the Quran teaches they would leave the religion. They stay because they believe the teachings.

Muslims can’t leave Islam like a Catholic can leave the church, unless they are prepared to risk a death sentence. The penalty for leaving Islam is death, and the Koran explicitly states this. Many countries have the death penalty for apostasy.

HostaCentral · 14/10/2025 16:15

Gorse · 14/10/2025 15:09

We have one of these poor souls nearby, Afghan, she's locked in every time he goes out. She's not even allowed in the garden to hang washing up. Not allowed to answer the door. 3 sons and another on the way (sex unknown yet). Her husband is out and about all day stalking females. He's been arrested several times for approaching women, my friend has him on her ring doorbell wanking outside her house. She's in her 80s, for god's sake! She's thinking of moving now. Yes, he's probably mentally ill, but he just shouldn't be here.

This pisses me off. It may well be their culture, but it is not ours, and they are here. It is illegal in this country to hold people hostage in their homes. End of. The police are wrong. Would Social Services do anything??

EasternStandard · 14/10/2025 16:45

Pigeonpoodle · 14/10/2025 15:26

Muslims can’t leave Islam like a Catholic can leave the church, unless they are prepared to risk a death sentence. The penalty for leaving Islam is death, and the Koran explicitly states this. Many countries have the death penalty for apostasy.

Really? Surely any of the ‘phobia’ posters can see this is extreme and problematic.

Pigeonpoodle · 14/10/2025 16:53

EasternStandard · 14/10/2025 16:45

Really? Surely any of the ‘phobia’ posters can see this is extreme and problematic.

Yes, really…

Here’s a news story of a man given the death penalty in Pakistan earlier this year… He seems to be a mentally-ill person who claimed to be Mohammed.

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/mohammad-asghar-pakistan-blasphemy-death-row

British grandfather Mohammad Asghar awaits execution for blasphemy in Pakistan

We are Amnesty International UK. We are ordinary people from across the world standing up for humanity and human rights.

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/mohammad-asghar-pakistan-blasphemy-death-row

Bringemout · 14/10/2025 16:56

Gorse · 14/10/2025 15:09

We have one of these poor souls nearby, Afghan, she's locked in every time he goes out. She's not even allowed in the garden to hang washing up. Not allowed to answer the door. 3 sons and another on the way (sex unknown yet). Her husband is out and about all day stalking females. He's been arrested several times for approaching women, my friend has him on her ring doorbell wanking outside her house. She's in her 80s, for god's sake! She's thinking of moving now. Yes, he's probably mentally ill, but he just shouldn't be here.

Has anyone reported to police? Social services? I mean why the fuck is this guy not in prison for domestic abuse and assualt.

Bigpinksweater · 14/10/2025 17:03

Bringemout · 14/10/2025 16:56

Has anyone reported to police? Social services? I mean why the fuck is this guy not in prison for domestic abuse and assualt.

Fuck prison, just hand him back to the Taliban. I bet he didn’t fuck around groping women when he was with them.

Ddakji · 14/10/2025 17:05

JHound · 14/10/2025 14:14

Ok (the bit about trans being punishable by death is very funny considering the country that conducts the 2nd highest number gender transition/confirmation surgeries.)

With actual genuine stuff to critique why just engage in make believe.

Edited

There’s nothing funny about Iran having so many men IDing as trans (ie being physically and chemically castrated) rather than risk being gay in that country.

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