Why can’t the Israelis and Palestinians just live in peace?!!

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Surely that’s what the overwhelming majority want. Let’s face it, 99% of us just want to get on with our lives in a quiet, peaceful way and do the best for our kids. So why can’t they all just lay down the weapons and live together, in harmony? Open the borders and live as one, forging a brighter future for their kids?

@Myhometownistrumpton have you noticed that other posters have given the OP the courtesy of accepting that her question was put in good faith and are attempting to answer it with their own interpretations of an incredibly complex and difficult situation?
And you are just spouting one sided arguments.
Have you thought about why that might be?

Our means Britain. Israel is our ally.

Thanks for highlighting your anti-Semitism, though. Zionism is inherent in Judaism - the belief that the Jews need a home of their own.

You are parroting Hamas, a terrorist group - advocating for the complete destruction of the state of Israel.

I have no knowledge of the OPs motivations for asking the question.

I'm not "spouting" anything - just answering the question factually the best I can. So you can stop being derogatory. If you don't like my response that is your problem.

What I am not going to do is be an apologist for a genocidal terrorist organisation that is, and always has been, committed to the anihilation of the State of Israel.

"Have you thought about why that might be?"

Yes and my answer is above ^.

@Ddakji so when we're told that objecting to the actions of the Israeli government doesn't make us anti-Semitic, that's wrong is it?
(Asking for fellow Jews living in Israel who are currently objecting to the activities of their government)

It is complicated and I can't say I know the whole story. But my thoughts as a Jewish person - I've been slowly coming to terms with the reality of the harm done to the Palestinian people by the founding of Israel. So many were displaced and they will never give up the hope of returning. At the same time I don't think this harm is the fault of every Israeli living there now and its not a just solution, as some think, to simply throw Israelis out.

There needs to be a solution for both peoples to live in the region, but getting over the hate and distrust, especially after the last two years, is harder than it ever was.

Can't these "fellow Jews" you mention ask these questions of their own Israeli government through the appropriate channels?

I don't see the relevance here TBH or why you feel the need to be a messenger ?

Because its not about normal people just living their lives. Its governments, extremist organisations and political involvement.

I'm sure the normal communities would but they are unable to because of the higher involvement.

It’s not really about land. It’s about the driving desire and purpose of the Arabs (recently renamed Palestinians) to eradicate the Jewish people.

No. I’m talking about those people who hide their anti-Semitism under being anti-Zionist. I’m happy to be educated in this, but Zionism means the belief that the Jews should have a home of their own, doesn’t it? “Next year in Jerusalem” kind of thing? If I have that wrong I apologise.

Of course Zionism politically speaking can be a broad church including religious nutjobs and settlers. But it seems to me that many are using that to advocate for the removal of the state of Israel altogether. Which is what Hamas, a terror group, want, along with other Islamist terror groups.

🙄 I'm going to assume there's something else going on for you that is making you respond in this way, and leave you to it.

Well, there's plenty of education out there to be found. Good luck with your research. There have been links to good resources by previous posters, you could start there.

@Echobelly "I've been slowly coming to terms with the reality of the harm done to the Palestinian people by the founding of Israel."

That's not a "reality". it's one version of events.

The Peel Commission in 1937 concluded that the only logical solution to resolving the contradictory aspirations of the Jews and Arabs was to partition Palestine into separate Jewish and Arab states. The Jews would have received only 15% of eastern Palestine between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean.

A small area, including Jerusalem, was to remain under British control, but 80% of the land was to be united with Transjordan and become independent.

The Arabs rejected the plan because it forced them to accept the creation of a Jewish state and required some Palestinians to live under “Jewish domination.” Muslim religious leaders said supporters of the plan were heretics, while the political machine controlled by the Grand Mufti * labeled them traitors

The Zionists opposed the Peel Plan’s boundaries because they would have been confined to 1,900 out of the 10,310 square miles remaining in Palestine. Nevertheless, the Zionists decided to negotiate with the British, while the Arabs refused to consider any compromises.

In 1939, the British White Paper called for establishing an Arab state in Palestine within ten years and limiting Jewish immigration to no more than 75,000 over the following five years.
Afterward, no one would be allowed in without the consent of the Arab population.
Though the Arabs had been granted a concession on Jewish immigration and been offered independence—the goal of Arab nationalists—they repudiated the White Paper.
With partition, the Palestinians were given a state and the opportunity for self-determination. This, too, was rejected.

*The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem is the Sunni Muslim cleric in charge of Jerusalem's Islamic holy places, including Al-Aqsa. The position was created by the British military government led by Ronald Storrs in 1918. Since 2006, the position has been held by Muhammad Ahmad Hussein, appointed by the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas

Well, if I was German I wouldn't post on a forum in Spain asking for information for fellow Germans living in Germany who have access to their own resources.

Your post made no sense.

Imagine someone came into your house and took it. And now you live in a shed at the bottom of your garden. Would you live happily and peacefully in your crappy shed or would you try and get your house back?

The problem is that both sides believe that they owned the house and are now living in the crappy shed.

Religion. Nothing more nothing less

The tricky thing in this case, as in so many others, is that both sides want to live in peace on the same ground, and do not trust the other side to coexist peacefully. It’s what often happens years and years after an initial invasion.

tricky, innit

Though this explains it much more clearly.

It’s incredible how many people on this thread have completely disregarded the deliberate displacement of those who were living in those lands before Israel was created. As though those who were very literally dragged out of their homes to make way for the new immigrants are wrong for feeling as though they have suffered for no reason other than living in land that another religion wants because it was promised to them in their book thousands of years ago.

Then they build new homes and those homes get taken too, and so on.

Then throw in years of mistreatment and torment.

Yet somehow, Palestinians struggling with that and wanting their own space and land is actually nothing but antisemitism.

The mindset of some people when it involves anyone Muslim is extraordinary.

Peace will only be possible when Israel drops this idea of building this greater Israel that reflects what they believe was promised thousands of years ago and stops letting religious extremists have roles in their own government.

The funny thing is we are now seeing people in the UK fed up with immigration and funding hostels when they arrive. Imagine the uproar if we had to also give up our homes and get pushed into smaller and smaller areas.

@AhWeNoss "It’s incredible how many people on this thread have completely disregarded the deliberate displacement of those who were living in those lands before Israel was created"

Not at all.

It's been disregarded because it's not true.

I posted the historical account upthread.

I think the mistake here is assuming that 99% of people want peace.

The Israel-Palestine conflict has been going on so long that a lot of ordinary people on both sides are fearful and distrustful of the people on the other side and some are outright hateful and want to see their opponents suffer and die.

It's very much a modern Western thing to think that most people want to live in peace and that conflict is mainly driven by a few bad men in charge. Lost of conflicts throughout history have been driven by the hatred of one people for another and sadly the Israel-Palestine conflict has become of those. It might have started as a fight about land but it has become a war of mutual fear and loathing.

Israelis and Palestinians do live in peace in Israel. So it can be done.

Everyone has their own interpretation of facts about why they don't live in peace in the Occupied Territories/ Palestinian land.

Just wanted to point the top bit out though.

It’s really worrying when people misinterpret events to try and argue a cause and present a selective narrative.

The land has been called Palestine since Roman times at least, and there is evidence to suggest it was called Palestine during the ancient Greeks (well, Palaistine). The term “Palestinian” to refer to those that lived in the land emerged in the late 19th century, so decades before, possibly even a century before, Yasser Arafat came along. Just because he populised the word doesn’t mean it didn’t exist.

But for that time 'Palestinian' just meant someone living in the region. Palestinian Jews, Palestinian Muslims, Palestinian Christians. It didn't mean the same as it does now.

I mean you also posted that the term “Palestinian” didn’t exist until 60 years ago and that the land belongs to Jews because a temple was built thousands of years ago so you’re not really the most knowledgeable about the subject are you?