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Is not giving a child any presents for their birthday a as punishment fair?

163 replies

ambergot · 10/10/2025 13:46

I met a mum friend for a play date in the park after school last night and her dd was quite mean to my son, calling him fat which he is not, stupid and and idiot and swearing at him.
I ended up taking him home and this mum was hugely apologetic.
I was talking to the mum in the school playground this morning and she explained her daughter has been quite challenging lately, she’s in the process of having her assessed for ADHD and odd and as a consequence for the way she was with my son and the fact she refused to apologise she has said she won’t be getting any birthday presents next week.
I thought this was a bit harsh but didn’t want to get involved.
It’s not a punishment I would implement but then I don’t have a child with adhd and odd so I don’t know if she’s being unfair or does that sound reasonable in those circumstances?

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CaptainMyCaptain · 10/10/2025 15:17

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 10/10/2025 14:24

An idea I like is that everytime you’re very naughty Santa exchanges one of your presents for a lump of Coal. So this mum could still give some presents and one lump of coal to show that something is missing - they’ll care and wonder what, but still have a decent Xmas

That's still horrible.

starfishmummy · 10/10/2025 15:18

I think its over the top. "Consequences" should have been immediate eg taking the child home immediately, no treats on the way home type of thing.

A child with additional needs might not associate not getting birthday presents with their actions of a week or so earlier- so not only will it have served no purpose but seems cruel to do so.

BunnyLake · 10/10/2025 15:20

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 10/10/2025 14:24

An idea I like is that everytime you’re very naughty Santa exchanges one of your presents for a lump of Coal. So this mum could still give some presents and one lump of coal to show that something is missing - they’ll care and wonder what, but still have a decent Xmas

Yuck. Horrible. Just be better at parenting if you have to stoop that low.

CatchingtheCat · 10/10/2025 15:20

Nearly50omg · 10/10/2025 15:17

Having SEN isn’t a get out of jail free card!! Zero excuses for behavior! Underatanding yes on some of them but children with sen can still be nasty little fuckers and bullies and it’s NOT the sen that is jut their personality and you need to be a lot more strict and have more boundaries and rules.

Absolutely! Definitely need to punish a paralysed child for refusing to walk! Totally unacceptable behaviour, they should be dragged out of their wheelchair. Or a deaf child for refusing to listen - he should have his dinner removed until he does!

I find the same helps with my grandmother who has dementia. She needs to learn not to forget things. Terrible behaviour on her part.

GarlicBreadStan · 10/10/2025 15:21

CatchingtheCat · 10/10/2025 15:20

Absolutely! Definitely need to punish a paralysed child for refusing to walk! Totally unacceptable behaviour, they should be dragged out of their wheelchair. Or a deaf child for refusing to listen - he should have his dinner removed until he does!

I find the same helps with my grandmother who has dementia. She needs to learn not to forget things. Terrible behaviour on her part.

🤣🤣🤣

nomas · 10/10/2025 15:21

as a consequence for the way she was with my son and the fact she refused to apologise she has said she won’t be getting any birthday presents next week.

She probably just said this so that you know she didn't approve of her dd's rude comments.

ruethewhirl · 10/10/2025 15:23

No presents is too harsh imo. I'd have felt very unloved at that age if my parents had done that to me. Punishment is absolutely needed, but it needs to take a different form.

QuickPeachPoet · 10/10/2025 15:27

I do wonder if the mother is calling the child's bluff.
The idea of not getting presents is going to hit hard. It will ruin her entire week and make her think hard about being so nasty to another child.
Even if she does get the presents this is something she would remember for life (and hopefully before she goes to be a nasty little madam to another kid again).
I wouldn't do this personally (but then my kids aren't nasty).

BertieBotts · 10/10/2025 15:30

It's much too harsh and will be ineffective. Punishments should also not be permanent especially with ADHD.

But I also have two children with ADHD and I know how devastating and soul destroying it is going through the phase where you are trying all the "normal" discipline and it doesn't work and veering into "I'm desperate I'll try anything". Extra-harsh punishments don't work either and are actually the opposite of what you should do, but I feel for mum, nobody hands you a manual (especially before diagnosis!) and she will likely be at the end of her tether, very upset by her DD's behaviour and the effect on your son, and probably worried about her turning into a bully etc. She is likely also spiralling that you will think she is an awful parent and/or DD will end up with no friends.

She is trying to do the right thing, even if it's not the right way to do it. We all make mistakes and hopefully as she goes further in her journey with learning about ADHD she'll find what support does work for her DD's behaviour.

I don't know if you can say anything which will be helpful, except to reassure her somehow that you don't think she's failing or her DD is a tyrant.

If you wanted to try, and DS wants to stay friends, you might say something like "Please don't worry about this; it will blow over for DS, I'll talk to him, no permanent harm done. I expect DD was feeling a bit exhausted after the week and it came out in her behaviour. We all say things we don't mean sometimes. Looking forward to the birthday party next week, let's plan our next playdate at a weekend so she's not so tired from school" - or whatever other future plan - basically reassuring her that you DON'T think she's a terrible parent or her DD is an awful child, that you do still value the friendship and it isn't necessarily this big huge thing she needs to stomp right away.

And if your DS is upset and doesn't want to play any more, you could say something instead about how perhaps they have just grown apart, but you can always get together without the kids. It's not that uncommon for girl/boy friendships to wane at this age anyway as they often become more aware of gender roles and gravitate more towards friends of the same sex.

Or maybe a message like "Hey X, just wanted to check in and say I hadn't realised DD was struggling so much at the moment, I really hope you get the answers you need with the assessment, do you want to meet for a coffee and a vent one morning before half term?"

If you do feel especially bad about the presents you could add something like "BTW, don't cancel her birthday on our account, totally respect you do what you need to do, but everyone makes mistakes - maybe she can earn them back."

CatchingtheCat · 10/10/2025 15:30

QuickPeachPoet · 10/10/2025 15:27

I do wonder if the mother is calling the child's bluff.
The idea of not getting presents is going to hit hard. It will ruin her entire week and make her think hard about being so nasty to another child.
Even if she does get the presents this is something she would remember for life (and hopefully before she goes to be a nasty little madam to another kid again).
I wouldn't do this personally (but then my kids aren't nasty).

Or, if she was able to control her behaviour, and had that level of understanding, she might think ‘why bother behaving I have already lost my birthday presents’,

RedAdmirals · 10/10/2025 15:36

ambergot · 10/10/2025 14:08

Oh my goodness, that’s awful.

No it isn't.

He could have given the other child a fractured skull.

He needs to learn that such behaviour is unacceptable.

Namechange822 · 10/10/2025 15:36

I’m wondering whether the mother is only saying it to you and not actually doing it?

Ive got a child with adhd and you get a lot of judgement from other parents (I’m sure not from you - you sound lovely). And dealing with these sort of incidents where your child is aggressive is mortifying!

I do consistent, calm, small, in the moment, consequences which is gradually working for us as he gets more control over his impulses. But quite a few parents have said things like “oh, I’d take his screen time for a month for that”. “If he was mine I’d wallop him back” “Mine wouldn’t be getting Christmas presents if they hit a child who was just being a bit rude”.

Luckily I’ve got an older dd with no challenging behaviour, so I just smile and say something bland back. But she might feel that she needs to reassure you that she’s done something about the behaviour, rather than actually be planning on giving dc no presents.

Shinybrightdarling · 10/10/2025 15:36

Catpiece · 10/10/2025 14:05

I know if a kid who had his head shaved as a punishment for whacking another kid with a cricket bat.

Wtf

RedAdmirals · 10/10/2025 15:51

Shinybrightdarling · 10/10/2025 15:36

Wtf

You obviously have no idea how much damage swinging a cricket bat at a person can cause. They are designed to hit wooden balls, not people.

TheNightingalesStarling · 10/10/2025 16:02

Nearly50omg · 10/10/2025 15:17

Having SEN isn’t a get out of jail free card!! Zero excuses for behavior! Underatanding yes on some of them but children with sen can still be nasty little fuckers and bullies and it’s NOT the sen that is jut their personality and you need to be a lot more strict and have more boundaries and rules.

Massive leap from thinking its an inappropriate punishment to saying that children with SEN should not face any consequences...

Yes the child should have a punishment. But not that.

Peonies12 · 10/10/2025 16:04

No that’s inappropriate and cruel. But do you think the mum feels she needs to do something extreme so she can tell you, as a way of apology? Children need to learn consequences of course, but in that situation it should be something like no more play dates for a week or something

Muffinmam · 10/10/2025 16:05

I agree with the mother on this one. She was probably at the end of her rope and this was the last straw.

My child has severe autism - but at least he does what he is told. Children with ADHD and ODD are a lot of work and can be utterly horrid.

The mother is probably going to have to pay privately for an assessment.

AgnesX · 10/10/2025 16:08

Definitely quite mean especially if the child has mental health issues (for want of a better description).

There are different ways of dealing with poor behaviour.

drspouse · 10/10/2025 16:08

No no and a thousand times no.
A child with ADHD will not think that far ahead for it to make any difference to their behaviour.
My mum used to threaten that we would have no Christmas presents and I am 100% sure she would have followed through. We were given the example of "unconditional love" at Sunday School as a parent would never do this even if their child was really bad because that's how parents should love their child. I knew my mum wouldn't love me that much.
I have recently cut off contact with her.

Moonlightfrog · 10/10/2025 16:09

I hope she’s sent on a parent course when her dd is diagnosed (or before).

My dc (now adults) are autistic, PDA and possible ADHD, they are now adults and I have always disciplined them if they have done wrong but I would never not give them birthday/Christmas presents as a punishment.

myglowupera · 10/10/2025 16:09

My dad did this because my DS wasn’t going to school. He thought it would teach him a lesson but it didn’t. It contributed to pushing my DS further in to the dark place he is in. He also ostracised my DS and told me he will not be taking him to football, didn’t want him to come to his house, he wasn’t invited to days out, told my DS he doesn’t want anything to do with him. I found it all thoroughly cruel and counterproductive and if anything my dad’s treatment of DS only made him worse. Completely unforgivable behaviour and my relationship with my dad has never been the same.

Beaniebobbins · 10/10/2025 16:09

A lot of people on here saying this is awful, but isn't the concept of Santa basically the same thing? Being good to get presents is a concept kids are very familiar with. I'm not sure that what this woman has done is any different to telling a kid they need to be on the good list for Christmas.

hydriotaphia · 10/10/2025 16:12

Awful and frankly abusive parenting. Sadly, my suspicion would be that fat, stupid, idiot and swearing are all things that little girl hears about herself from that mother. Honestly this is so over the top I would be informing the school so they could record as a safeguarding concern.

mumoftwo99x · 10/10/2025 16:13

I would never do this. Birthdays and Christmas’s are completely off cards in relation to punishments for bad behaviour.

Blahdiblahblahr · 10/10/2025 16:14

Hopefully if the kid gets a diagnosis the mum will get some help with how to manage neurodiversity.

I have a kid with ADHD autism and all sorts. And can say 100% that if punishments could get neurodiverse kids to behave like regular kids, there would be no more nurodiversity. It just doesn’t work! The way to manage is to anticipate when the kid is going to do something awful and deflect… blimmin hard work and a pain but the only really effective way.

Aside from this I think cancelled birthdays is just too harsh. Kid will remember that forever but just in a bitter way I imagine