to want the anti-vaxxers to explain themselves?

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My Facebook feed is full of GP practices etc. promoting the flu jab, and EVERY response is from people saying they are full of poison, giving everyone flu, part of a government conspiracy, Bill Gates, big pharma, etc.

It doesn't matter where the GP surgery is in the country, the responses are all the same.

Just... WOT IS GOING ON????

It's literally 100% of the respondents. Please can someone explain to me why the general public (on my feeds anyway) have become convinced that the flu jab is part of a conspiracy... to what end?!

I’ve just been and had both flu and Covid today, pharmacist said it’s been really busy for both

If an anti cancer vaccine was introduced I'd hope my adult kids would take it. Less bothered at my age. Youth should be prioritised

Well it was three years but it didn't happen so they've extended the deadline.

I've asked numerous anti-vaxxers if they'd refuse a rabies vaccine if they were bitten by an animal suspected of being infected. They don't want to answer that one...

Of course they did. Their lives didn't just freeze up before they had the vaccine. That only happens in sci fi movies.

WTF are you on about? It's been well documented that many women had vaginal bleeding and mucked up periods after having the jab

I'm on Facebook. Don't seem to get nutters, anti vaxxers and rants or anything of the sort. Mine is full of travel deals, travel groups etc

But you are coming across as extremely snobby. You may only want to speak to degree educated higher income people but not everyone is so stuck up and insular

A statistically significant number of women have reported unexpected bleeding after a Covid jab. These were short-term (max three months) and minor effects, not haemorrhaging. BUT we don't know how many of these events would've occurred anyway and not been reported. I certainly didn't report mid-cycle spotting or ovulation bleeds in the normal course of events.

I did once haemorrhage unexpectedly - a moderate river of blood, embarrassingly in the Sainsbury's queue while wearing shorts 😬 Phoned my doctor, who asked if it had stopped (yes), was I pregnant (no), and gently suggested that, at 47, I was probably starting menopause.

If I'd had a vaccination the day before, I'd have been keen to know if the two events were linked and would likely have reported it as a possible side-effect. I hadn't, so this didn't happen. But you can see how natural it feels to conclude that A caused B, when in fact B was a physical process that was going to occur regardless of other choices.

See, perhaps they aren’t “antivaxxers” but you just label them that.
I don’t claim to be an antivaxxer. I’ve been told not to have vaccines after having had a severe reaction in childhood. If I were to take a rabies shot that would be a last resort life/death situation and noting to do with being antivax or not. But you would consider me an antivaxxer currently.

I had abnormal bleeding (abnormal for me) after the first couple of vaccines but covid itself also sent my periods haywire. I just figured it was one of those things but the vaccine was more of a priority for me than my periods being messed up

There's a difference between declining routine vaccinations and declining one that is needed as a treatment for a situation like that.

There's also a difference in a situation like, I'm never leaving the UK so I won't take a polio vaccine vs. I'm going to visit an area where polio is rife, so the balance swings towards taking the vaccine.

It doesn't have to be all or nothing. Sometimes factors weigh differently in different situations.

Me and my daughters had a couple of periods after the vaccine that were a lot more painful than usual, and did have heavier bleeding. I can imagine if you did have an underlying condition it could exacerbate it, otherwise it sorted itself out within a couple of cycles.

Depends on who you add as friends too. Almost everyone on my friends list will have at least one degree. A few have PhDs.

Butwhats that got to do with anything?

If you read back a few pages, you'd see the context. Kind of an irrelevant side thread about the education level of Facebook users, since FB users comments on threads about vaccines were a linked discussion.

I saw the thing about the education level of Facebook users and found it a snobby stuck up comment. And surely it's SOME facebook users comments about vaccines notall. As I said I don't seem to get comments about vaccines or other contentious subjects on my Facebook

And seeing as I'm from a generation level where less than 25 % of people had a degree then you would expect if the coment was true I should see a lot of " uneducated," comments on my feed. Yet I dont

I don't tend to get posts about vaccines, but have noticed that if there is a story about someone who died young, there are a lot of comments under it asking if they had 'the jab'. I just ignore what I'm not interested in.

I hadn't really thought about the demographic of Facebook much. In some way we create our own demographic by who we add as friends, what groups we follow, etc.

I have no idea how many people in my demographic have a degree. When I meet people I either click with them or I don't. Not having a degree doesn't mean they aren't capable of having one anyway, just chose a different path.

Maybe you should. Never heard of herd immunity? It affects all of us. Measles increase is just obe of the most recent examples...

Maybe you should. Never heard of herd immunity? It affects all of us. Measles increase is just obe of the most recent examples...

No, they were anti-vaxxers. Claimed to be anti all vaccinations, so at the extreme end.

We should all do a cost/benefit analysis when taking any medicine that could have negative side effects. But just like covid itself some people weren't affected while others died, same with the vaccine.

Pharmaceutical drugs are already heavily regulated, tested and risk assessed. All the known side effects are already well-documented and included when prescribed.

the cost/benefit to me is down to whether I want to be struck down by a ghastly virus, or protected by a tried and tested vaccine. I know what I prefer.

The vast majority of people vaccinated are absolutely fine and are able to get on with their lives safe in the knowledge that if they do happen to contract C19 or flu, they will get much reduced symptoms.

that's the reality. The anti-vx brigade try to cause maximum damage to society, but thank goodness most people have the sense to see them for who they are, delusional numbskulls.

This was this issue with the COVID vaccines They WERENT tried and tested and one of the companies making them were trying up data for 75 years. Basically ensuring anyone who took them in 2021 would be dead by the time info was in public domain.

Then get government trying to force people to take them.

I can see why people luse trust in cases like that. Unfortunately it seems so e have applied the COVID scenario to the tried and trusted vaccines aswell

Can you link the evidence that backs up any of what you said?

It's pretty public knowledge that the COVID jabs were rushed tgeough. Not enough time had possibly passed to be able to see any long term effects of the drug on such a major scale

And the government threatening to sack staff etc for not taking them . That is bullying and not conducive to building trust.

I had the first two as blackmailed into not being able to travel unless I did. Have turned down all the other constant offers of them and still never had COVID. For me niconsidered them unnecessary. Also they don't provide " herd immunity" like majority of vaccinations. Which was another lie Originally it was broadcast that it would stop most infections and prevent spread.