to want the anti-vaxxers to explain themselves?

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My Facebook feed is full of GP practices etc. promoting the flu jab, and EVERY response is from people saying they are full of poison, giving everyone flu, part of a government conspiracy, Bill Gates, big pharma, etc.

It doesn't matter where the GP surgery is in the country, the responses are all the same.

Just... WOT IS GOING ON????

It's literally 100% of the respondents. Please can someone explain to me why the general public (on my feeds anyway) have become convinced that the flu jab is part of a conspiracy... to what end?!

Partly bots. Partly algorithms. Partly a trend towards hating the establishment (leant into by reform in many ways eg vaccines, climate change, migration, Id cards) As you can see from this thread. Best ignored. Natural selection and all that…

i'm just not believing some fb comments. either the people are not genuine or they are gathering followers on a controversial topic to make money.

I've noticed whenever someone younger dies, there's a flurry of posts asking if they had 'the jab'. Or just a needle emoji. I think Covid has made a lot of people question things.

I don't think those who choose to vaccinate or not vaccinate have to explain themselves. Health decisions can remain private.

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if you are happy with your decision to vaccinate yourself and your children and convinced it works then why are you so concerned by what other people do?!?! What other people do or don’t do is their business.

Herd immunity.

It's a bit like drink driving. I can choose not to drink and drive (for the sake of improving my safety) but if other people continue to make dangerous decisions, that can obviously still impact me too.

It's one adjective. Two adverbs.

Because for vaccines to work, the uptake has to be high. Your choices do affect others.

I think people lost trust after the covid vax and the governments reluctance to give all the info surrounding safety. Many people have also been watching Dr Fauci get questioned online and wondering how pharma and government got away with it. Mark Zuckerburg even admitted on camera that he was forced into silencing anyone who spoke about side effects and safety of the covid vaccination. It has made people question other injections.

I’m not anti vax but flu jab I’m getting emails for kids to have it without any proper info. I think most people are uneducated when it comes to things like this, we are told what to do or not to do and that’s what people follow or trust in. If getting a flu jab is the right thing to do I’d like to know all the facts and be certain myself not just told i need to do it x

I haven't seen this on my own FB feed, but I'd just totally ignore them.

Our GP surgery does a "fluathon" event one Saturday morning each September or October where those of us eligible can come for our winter flu vaccines. The queue is always through the waiting room and out of the door into the car park. Fortunately it moves very quickly.

So I don't personally see much evidence of antivaxxers although I know of one or two who can sometimes be vociferous. Most people just ignore them though.

Hmm I don't know much about the fly jab but ifas a PP statied it only has a 30% efficiency rate then it won't be must use to heard immunity.

I've never been offered one either so assuming it's just certain groups

You're correct that the flu jab is different. Flu is not going to be eradicated because it evolves into new strains every year.

Things like measles though? That was eradicated and now children are dying from it again because not enough people are getting their kids vaccinated.

I don’t think the recent study in South Korea will help the cause. Any link from vaccines to cancer will see the uptake drop.

Herd immunity is nothing like drink driving. Your analogy doesn’t work because taking a vaccine invokes a small degree of risk whereas avoiding being a drink driver does not.

People need to get away from thi idea that they have a right to herd immunity. They don’t. High levels of herd immunity come with the cost of vaccine damage, which many of the hardcore pro vaxxers refuse to acknowledge

Get vaccinated to protect yourself if you want but don’t worry about herd immunity or other peoples vaccine choices. They are up to them.

Facebook is full of this, it’s the age profile now.

I am the same as others, I get certain vaccines bot not others. It’s a choice. I am not in a group that needs a Covid /flu vaccine but others definitely do need it and want it.

Regarding childhood vaccines (especially measles) that is 100% an absolute definite yes for me.

This..gosh is not something you can debate with opinions. Vaccines work. End of..the flu vaccine is less effective but it has a positive benefit.It doesn't seem to matter which vaccines are being promoted the same reaction is online..it was the same when they announced the chickenpox vaccine recently. Pre covid that would have received a much more positive response because it's great that it is included in vaccine schedule. Are these responses automated? It's such a shame we have ended up here.

They won't explain anything, instead they will say something like "I've done my own research, the information is all out there". But they will never provide any sources of information (because it's mostly YouTube).

I haemorrhaged for two days after getting the Covid vaccine. I wasn’t getting periods as I was on the mini pill so the haemorrhaging was definitely due to the vaccine. The following year I was diagnosed with uterine cancer, I believe the cancer was caused by the vaccine.

Can you explain how the covid vaccine would cause cancer in your uterus?

I was listening to a radio show about this.
Apparently a lot of the people were deliberately pulled into antivax theories by Russia. Russia/the USSR has spent at least 75 years brainwashing people. They are experts in manipulating the media and propaganda.
Russia wants to cause civil unrest in as much the world as possible, particularly Europe and the US. They want populist parties in control. Weakens any sort of resistance against Russian expansion. they Ve done well in terms of weakening the UN. And it is now recognised that Brexit was it partly down to Russian interference. As well as the election of Trump. Reform/UKIP/Farage has long known to be connected to Russia and funded by Russian interests. Additionally, the megarich want to keep hold of their money and increase their power. Hence, almost all of social media is in the hands of the wealthiest men in the world. They are enjoying playing with us. If you look at the change in wealth of the top naught 0.1% of people in the world, it has gone up exponentially in the last 10 years.

During COVID, they realised there was a real opportunity to get a section of people into being angry at the government. At first, it was anti lockdown rhetoric.And then this swiftly moved into anti vax. There was a huge crossover after covid of those same people being very anti, any sort of Green /ULEZ scheme, they were heavily targeted online, and if you look into anti vaxercise accounts, you ll see, they are often either really anti green schemes, and/or very Reform.
They paid a huge amount of money and have used AI and bots to make sure the algorithms against the Western Government's.
Anyone close to anyone that has gone down the very strong anti vax route.Realises they have been brainwashed.
Have you ever seen Derren brown explain how hypnotists chose who to bring up on stage? It's basically spotting those that are most susceptible to being hypnotized. In a similar way those that want a rise of nationalism and civil unrest have worked out who are easy to manipulate and brainwash. Once caught they are then targeted.
So the reason why those nhs posts are just full of those sorts of comments, is because they get picked up on the algorithm of the anti vaxes and the bots. They instantly put in all their comments, if anyone puts in a normal comment, they get absolutely attacked. So most of us have just given up. Additionally we dont stop at those posts as much so the algorithms don't send yhem our way.

There is obviously a lot more to it than this. But its fascinating and terrifying all in one. We barely understand the power of social media yet. But Russia most certainly does, as they as they have been doing this stuff so we'll for so long. Have a google at Putins popularity ratings as a quick way to see how much people have been manipulated in Russia itself.

I think that's brilliant. I hope it's as successful as tte smallpox campaign 👍.

Unfortunately, we have to pay for their choice when they require medical intervention and hospital stays.

It's interesting, isn't it? I suppose we've become so sheltered from serious illness that many people in our society get blase about it. Think of the people who died from infections before antibiotics became available. Now we don't think about it, just get a prescription for them and carry on.

There's a big difference between anti-vaccine and sceptical about the quantity / frequency of vaccines.

We've recently moved countries, from one country that had a list of required vaccines and a vaccination schedule, to another that had a completely different schedule, so much so that the legal requirements of the second country were "not recommended" in the first. We would not have been able to get our work visas without going against the guidance in the first.

Their country their rules, but I start getting a bit sceptical when one country's scientists disagree with another's, and when our daughter feels sick for 2-3 days after getting the "not-recommended-by-anyone-medically-qualified-but-legally-enforced third vaccine shot, I do start to wonder.