Page 6 | To wonder if Greta will acknowledge her blunder?

mumandmumber · 2025-10-08T15:42:35+00:00

Regarding Greta using a photo of emaciated Israeli hostage Evyatar David on a poster/content slide regarding the suffering of Palestinian prisoners. She & the affiliated have since edited/rectified but seems to be without any acknowledgement or comment from anyone from her or her team… yet. AIBU to think that’s quite a major gaffe that warrants acknowledgment from her end?

confusedlady10 · 09/10/2025 00:48

noblegiraffe · 08/10/2025 23:53

What was achieved? Not a substantial delivery of aid. Some onboard bickering about progressive causes and a falling out between the members. The revelation that one of her shipmates is a Holocaust denier. The hostages may be released imminently but Greta didn't even recognise a famous picture of one of them so certainly can't claim any credit there.

The real work is being done in the ceasefire negotiations. I imagine that the flotilla was a distraction from actually trying to achieve peace.

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I cannot speak for the others on the boat/their opinions and don't know the group together. I can only speak on Greta. The topic at hand. Her trying t deliver aid is symbolic and any effort is just that, effort.

confusedlady10 · 09/10/2025 00:53

OakleyAnnie · 09/10/2025 00:29

It’s not just about a mistake though is it. It’s about accidentally using an image that tells a story she doesn’t want to tell. The first time she was captured by the IDF they showed her and her fellow travellers the videos from Hamas body cameras of the October 7th massacre, rapes and murder of Israelis. She and the other activists turned their backs and refused to watch. They don’t want to know the whole story because it doesn’t fit the narrative they want to promote. Using the photo of an Israeli hostage is a terrible embarrassment for her.

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What about the Israeli government lying about no famine in Gaza, Hamas stealing the aid they were blocking or lying about certain beheaded babies? The lies about Hamas hiding under a specific hospital? Hamas are atrocious and yes Greta made a mistake. Lets not act like the Israeli government aren't liars themselves who had denied things that have clearly been proven and agreed on internationally as a genocide and starvation of the Palestinian people, or like they haven't tried to manipulate stories in the media. When they couldn't prove their claims, crickets...

Daygloboo · 09/10/2025 01:20

Summerhillsquare · 08/10/2025 17:44

I expect she's concentrating on her mission, first of all campaigning for action on climate change, and now also to try and stop a genocide. Thank goodness we have such people in the world, not because they are perfect but because they TRY to make the world a better place. Better to try, make mistakes, fail, try again, than not to care or do nothing.

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NewGirlInTown · 09/10/2025 01:22

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Nah. I’ll save it for virtue signalling, attention seeking, uneducated, posturing idiots . I have some spare if you’d like one?

localnotail · 09/10/2025 06:53

olderandnonthewiser · 08/10/2025 21:49

Age isn’t relevant. I meant maturity

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Well, I suspect she reached her level of "maturity" already.

arcticpandas · 09/10/2025 06:57

I am convinced that her actions come from a good place so I won't criticise her. I think it's a good thing to call out Israël for their bombing of Gaza. I just wish she would take a stance against Hamas as well while doing that.

Summerhillsquare · 09/10/2025 07:29

jen337 · 08/10/2025 18:14

The Party informs you that the subject of today’s two minute hate will be Greta Thunberg.

And anyone who supports the same things. Especially women. Especially young women. Once we get back in our boxes and leave it to the old men the world will be just dandy...yes?

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mumandmumber · 09/10/2025 07:47

However, accusing Israel of genocide when they’re patently not - they are fighting a war they didn’t start - does actually make you look at best naive, and at worst hateful. Because whether you know it or not, you’re contributing to toxic discourse cynically intended to de-legitimise the nation of Israel in the eyes of the international community as prelude to its elimination. The reason why Israelis are being so dehumanised by the genocide libel is because the “genocide” charge functions as a rhetorical weapon: it strips an entire people and their institutions of moral complexity, paints them as irredeemable perpetrators, and primes international opinion to see their existence or legitimacy as negotiable. That delegitimisation makes political isolation, sanctions, and calls for elimination far easier to justify in the public mind.

@MarmellataInnamorata
This is the best explanation of the issue of this issue I’ve seen. Thank you

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Ddakji · 09/10/2025 07:48

If I see Greta pleased that a peace deal is happening, even one brokered by Trump, then I’ll believe her heart is in the right place.

soupyspoon · 09/10/2025 08:02

What she could have done, as someone pointed out people make honest mistakes - is to say - I made a mistake and this is an Israeli Jewish person who is suffering and has been starved by Hamas and this just shows we are all the same, our starvation is the same no matter who we are, the effects of war are the same no matter who we are, people of all ethnicities, religions, countries are being harmed here and so although I got it wrong, it shows that this must end and we must work to peace to stop all suffering

Or WTTE

Bundleflower · 09/10/2025 08:04

MarmellataInnamorata · 08/10/2025 23:43

Have you studied history at all? You know that in all the major conflicts one side have won, and the other has lost. What do you think happened between the Allies and Germany and Imperial Japan in 1945? They all sat around singing Kumbaya and there was no need for the Potsdam Conference? Get a reality check.

Or are you so privileged, so far removed from conflict, and cosy in your European (or North American) complacency you don’t have the first clue what going to war actually means to achieve lasting peace and enduring security? Wars don’t end in harmony circles and treaties written in pencil. They end when one side wins, decisively, and imposes the terms that make peace possible. Without that clarity, without that resolution, the conflict festers, resurfaces, and drags generations back into the same bloodshed.

However, accusing Israel of genocide when they’re patently not - they are fighting a war they didn’t start - does actually make you look at best naive, and at worst hateful. Because whether you know it or not, you’re contributing to toxic discourse cynically intended to de-legitimise the nation of Israel in the eyes of the international community as prelude to its elimination. The reason why Israelis are being so dehumanised by the genocide libel is because the “genocide” charge functions as a rhetorical weapon: it strips an entire people and their institutions of moral complexity, paints them as irredeemable perpetrators, and primes international opinion to see their existence or legitimacy as negotiable. That delegitimisation makes political isolation, sanctions, and calls for elimination far easier to justify in the public mind.

A combatant to civilian ration of 2:1 or 3:1 does not a genocide make. And it’s unbelievably insulting to survivors of actual genocide, so no, shame on you actually!

I don’t hate Palestinians at all. What frustrates me is the global narrative that seems to scream that Palestinians have rights but no responsibilities (the responsibility to not murder, rape and torture your neighbour at every given opportunity) while Israelis are burdened with responsibilities but denied rights
(no right to peace and security…two privileges YOU take for granted in fact). I’m simply calling out the hypocrisy.

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That’s a lot of words for somebody to say rather than to admit to having no compassion. I can’t say I read much further than half way through your first paragraph. Self righteous word salad. You seem to switch and change your angle depending on what you were last called out on.
I’ll be on the right side of history where I had compassion for all in this conflict.

inamarina · 09/10/2025 08:13

Bundleflower · 09/10/2025 08:04

That’s a lot of words for somebody to say rather than to admit to having no compassion. I can’t say I read much further than half way through your first paragraph. Self righteous word salad. You seem to switch and change your angle depending on what you were last called out on.
I’ll be on the right side of history where I had compassion for all in this conflict.

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It’s a shame you couldn’t read pp’s post, they made some very good points.

Ddakji · 09/10/2025 08:29

Bundleflower · 09/10/2025 08:04

That’s a lot of words for somebody to say rather than to admit to having no compassion. I can’t say I read much further than half way through your first paragraph. Self righteous word salad. You seem to switch and change your angle depending on what you were last called out on.
I’ll be on the right side of history where I had compassion for all in this conflict.

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So, much like Greta, you turn your back when faced with a narrative you don’t like. Because you don’t have the whit to challenge or debate? @MarmellataInnamorata’s posts certainly sound like they’re coming from someone with considerably more intelligence that yours.

Not sure that puts you on the right side of anything.

Bundleflower · 09/10/2025 08:49

Ddakji · 09/10/2025 08:29

So, much like Greta, you turn your back when faced with a narrative you don’t like. Because you don’t have the whit to challenge or debate? @MarmellataInnamorata’s posts certainly sound like they’re coming from someone with considerably more intelligence that yours.

Not sure that puts you on the right side of anything.

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That’s absolutely fine with me.

Bundleflower · 09/10/2025 08:52

inamarina · 09/10/2025 08:13

It’s a shame you couldn’t read pp’s post, they made some very good points.

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No, I can and could read. I’ve just learned where to withdraw from a conversation on an emotive topic where two people clearly aren’t going to agree.
Let’s all hope this peace deal is successful - I hope that’s something we can all agree on.

Coffee62 · 09/10/2025 08:56

Irrelevant but I’m terrified of her. She looks like a creepy child from a horror movie

marchmash · 09/10/2025 09:51

fully agree with @soupyspoon . I think she should be very careful about being truthful and credible and should simply and transparently apologise, and reiterate the message about ANYONE suffering being wrong. Otherwise it looks cowardly to just delete without comment. If you want to be the figurehead for what's right, you have to own up to a stupid mistake.

zingally · 09/10/2025 10:09

Ponderingwindow · 08/10/2025 18:06

There are people working in refugee camps. There are people who get jobs at the UN. There are people who run for office so they can try to change laws. There are people who study for years so they can dedicate their lives to climate technology or sustainable food. These are people who dedicate their lives to making the world a better place. They often choose this over much more lucrative careers because they want to make an actual difference in the world. It is tedious and often demoralizing. Some of the work is dangerous.

These are the people we should be thanking.

Activists who scream and shout and blunder aren’t doing the hard work.

100% agree.

I admired Greta when she was a teenager standing up for what she believed in. But as she's got older, she's just settled into the world of screamy performance activism, which achieves nothing.
Nowadays, it feels like she's only a braincell more sensible than those dumbfuck "Stop Oil" folks who throw soup at paintings and sit on motorways.

SteakBakesAndHotTakes · 09/10/2025 11:04

jiyg · 08/10/2025 19:51

she’s been told what the cause du jour is and she’s jumped on board. Literally.

She’s hasn’t had an education and it shows.
One of the lovely women on the flotilla, a well known holocaust denier, spoke on the news yesterday saying that Israeli people aren’t human. These people aren’t trying to hide or disguise their rampant Jew hate anymore. It’s sickening. The tide is turning sharply against these idiots though.

Who is this??

noblegiraffe · 09/10/2025 11:10

SteakBakesAndHotTakes · 09/10/2025 11:04

Who is this??

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Sarah Wilkinson. She was arrested on her return to the U.K.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgmzrx8x4ydo.amp

if you Google her name and Holocaust denial you’ll find details of her tweets.

Nice to know the company Greta kept on the flotilla.

A close-up of the light bars on a police car, flashing a bright blue light. The background is blurred

Bishop's Castle woman accused of supporting Hamas terror organisation - BBC News

The 62-year-old is accused of five offences relating to Hamas, and is due in court on 20 October.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgmzrx8x4ydo.amp

Questionairballoon · 09/10/2025 11:16

Has everyone forgotten all the Pray For Israel photos plastered across Instagram which were actually showing the ruins of Gaza? I don’t remember many apologies or acknowledgement there.

inamarina · 09/10/2025 11:19

Questionairballoon · 09/10/2025 11:16

Has everyone forgotten all the Pray For Israel photos plastered across Instagram which were actually showing the ruins of Gaza? I don’t remember many apologies or acknowledgement there.

Personally, I don’t remember ever seeing such ads 🤷‍♀️
Only some showing pictures of Israeli hostages.

inamarina · 09/10/2025 11:21

SteakBakesAndHotTakes · 09/10/2025 11:04

Who is this??

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As pp said, it’s Sarah Wilkinson.

Here she is, calling Israelis non human 🙄
x.com/habibi_uk/status/1975150454003900558

SteakBakesAndHotTakes · 09/10/2025 11:53

@noblegiraffe @inamarina Thanks for the info. I tried Googling but didn't get any results. That is absolutely infuriating and horrifying, in equal measure.

noblegiraffe · 09/10/2025 14:56

SteakBakesAndHotTakes · 09/10/2025 11:53

@noblegiraffe @inamarina Thanks for the info. I tried Googling but didn't get any results. That is absolutely infuriating and horrifying, in equal measure.

Yeah, honestly it's awful (especially as she's British!) and makes you wonder who else was on that flotilla and what they talked about over dinner.