To feel like the tide of public opinion has turned against the pro-palestine protestors

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Every social media feed I have is full of irate people commenting on pro-gaza protestors.

From people commenting on Greta Thunberg sharing the picture of the starving hostage and claiming it was a Palestinian (wtf was she thinking?!) , to the student saying Israelis should 'go back where they came from', there are thousands of angry comments. Lots of the protestors hiding their faces too, and on a local Uni group people are trying to name the protestors seen today and get them removed from their courses

I'm disgusted with what I've seen today, and it feels like the tide is turning and people are seeing these protests for what they really are: an opportunity for hate-filled morons to get together and intimidate people. I feel like they've completely ruined their cause just because they couldn't wait a day to protest.

That’s just awful, how could you use that image.

Slick bit of victim-blaming there.

Quick question: what do you think the bereaved families of Manchester, and the bereaved families of 7th October, would have wanted? And why can't their wishes be respected, for just one day?

A lot of 7/10 families actually now protest against the Israeli government.

I would imagine the marches in Manchester in particular have gone down like a cup of cold sick after the killings, in light of the Islamic terrorist suicide bombing of Manchester Arena not so many years ago.
Lets face it it’s not Jewish people running around killing and injuring people in this country is it.

I deliberately read news from outlets I don't agree politically or morally with - otherwise you do get stuck in an algorithm bubble where all your views are reflected back at you...

I've witnessed several and at all of them I've heard the 'from the river to the sea' chant and only seen Palestine flags

I have been very active on these boards and have never, ever seen anyone say any human life is worth more than any other human life. On either side.

A few people have said the same as me here.

Why are you making it up?

The protesters were singing "from the mountains to the sea" basically glorifying the extermination of jews. That has fuck all to do with genocide in Gaza. I'm not jewish nor muslim but I'm against Hamas and Netanyahu. Anyone who glorifies either one of them has blood on their hands in my book, and that's what the protesters are doing singing Hamas hymns.

It was part of a montage illustrating how palestinians were being mistreated by Israel, there's a screenshot on another thread, I expect the denials later if it becomes a bigger news story.

I think it's the opposite. I think people are waking up to the fact that Netenyahu is committing war crimes and committing genocide against an innocent people.

Not supporting Israel's need to destroy Palestine is not anti-Semitic. I think it's anti-Semitic to suggest that all Jewish people are okay with what is happening in their name. Many, many Jewish people have spoken out against Israel's tyranny and do not want war crimes happening in their names.

Supporting innocent people in Palestine is not supporting Hamas.

drama much? Stop the genocide means stop the genocide, not create another FFS. This is why no-one can take the pro-Israeli mob seriously.

This with bells on!!!! ⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️

Im very aware. I have friends and family in Israel. A lot of Israelis frequently protest against the Israeli government, and Netanyahu is desperate to keep this war going because he was in big political trouble before.

But Im interested in why you told me that. Because it sounds like you have just implied that empathy for bereaved families, and respecting their right to grieve, is the same thing as supporting Netanyahu. You weren't suggesting that, were you?

If you are supporting the people of Palestine then you will be delighted to get behind the peace plan I assume?

I can’t see many peace marches though just balaclavas, hate speech and incitement.

Agree

Again, no response to my question. Why is it that at these pro-Palestine marches, there’s never a call for the downfall of Hamas, or pressure on them to release hostages and step down? Why is there no outrage directed at the neighbouring Arab states that refuse to take in Palestinian refugees, effectively leaving them trapped and suffering? What Israel is doing is horrific, but to deny that Hamas and the surrounding Arab nations are also complicit in this tragedy is something I genuinely struggle to understand.

Who is ‘an innocent people’?

Do you include Hamas, the PIJ, the other terrorist factions in Gaza, and their supporters (of which around 90% of civilian adults are) as ‘an innocent people’? Do you think these people have any responsibility for what’s happening in Gaza?

Are you as vociferous in your opinion that Hamas should surrender and release the hostages as you are that Netanyahu is committing war crimes and genocide? You seem to have missed that out.

I think a lot of people are waking up to the fact the Hamas and their supporters have been screaming ‘Genocide!’, ‘Famine!, ‘War Crimes!’ from literally the start of this war and the figures from Hamas themselves betray that fallacy which is just another blood libel to demonise Israel and the Jewish people by extension.

I do actually think you do have to be anti Semitic to a degree to believe the propaganda coming out of Gaza. Some of it is so ridiculously staged it is laughable.

How have you not yet figured out that this war was started deliberately precisely to generate this propaganda because the Palestinians could never defeat Israel militarily?

Well those glaring omissions are what kind of gives the game away of what it’s all about though doesn’t it?

@TicklishMauveSquidi agree! Every interview I hear with pro Palestinian activists they refuse to talk about Hamas or criticise them! I’ve heard women deny the sexual violence that was commited on 7th October and I just can’t get over that! Hamas are horrific… they want the whole obliteration of the Jewish faith! And if you can only stand against Israel and not Hamas, then you’re a hypocrite! (It goes without saying this works both ways)

I am not pro Israel. I am not pro anyone, I just want an end to the blood shed like most people.

If you are going to support a death cult like Hamas, and reject peace you need to be upfront about that.

Unless you have another workable solution to this war?

Many posts on this thread are equating all those who have protested against the Gaza situation with the extremists shown yesterday on the media. This really isn't the case - most of us would never see them as speaking for us (and would not have joined a protest on 7/10 out of respect) and are very much pro-peace.

I think what I can see is the absolute radio silence from the pro protests when it comes to Hamas speaks volumes alone.

You never hear a word against Hamas despite the decades of neglect and starvation they inflicted on the Palestinian people, despite the barrage of death and misery they have inflicted in the region, despite their calls for death to all Jewish people and their refusal to engage in any peaceful solution. Despite the fact we know Iran is paying them to destabilise the region.

Even with the long list of atrocities, and now the death of thousands of innocent people. Still radio silence.

So yes you are supporting Hamas during these marches, parroting their slogans, waving their flags. Celebrating their culture of violence whilst ignoring the horrendous crimes they have committed,

So are you. So are we all, all fed by the algorithms to form increasingly siloed echo chambers. Your algorithms show you a view skewed to your bias, simple as that.

I do wonder about this.

The Palestinians are basically screwed as long as Hamas are calling the shots. They won't allow any significant negotiations to go forward. They won't accept any solution other than the total removal of Jews from the land.

They deliberately provoke Israel and deliberately commit war crimes by placing military installations and weapons in the same place as the civilian people in order to create more carnage that they can use to create political pressure. They are very happy to create civilian martyrs, and child martyrs.

They accept money and arms from Iran to do these things.

I really don't understand why people who want to protest on behalf of the Palestinian people aren't protesting against them.