To be utterly disgusted by the woman cutting down yellow ribbons commemorating the October 7th victims in Muswell Hill yesterday morning

[AngeloMysterioso]

When Jewish people are being attacked and murdered on their way to synagogue on Yom Kippur

When you literally can’t move or look in any direction without Palestine Palestine Palestine in our faces

On the eve of the anniversary of the worst atrocity committed against Jewish people since the Holocaust, a small, unobtrusive memorial for the victims of that unthinkable, barbaric attack was destroyed yesterday by a despicable woman who turned up with scissors and cut the ribbons down, one by one.

Ribbons for women and girls who were raped and murdered.
Ribbons for babies ripped from their parents’ arms and slaughtered.
Ribbons for men beaten to death.
Ribbons for the hostages still suffering every moment.

And this disgusting individual took it upon herself to come along with a pair of scissors and cut each one away. Her excuse? They “condone genocide”.

Let’s not pretend for a moment that that was her true motivation. It was a revolting demonstration of the antisemitism that has become so shamefully rife in this country that it sickens me.

This woman needs to be named and shamed for the loathsome person she is.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/07/woman-filmed-cutting-ribbons-commemorating-israeli-hostages/

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/met-police-woman-ribbons-israel-hostages-london-manchester-synagogue-b1251594.html

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/woman-filmed-cutting-down-ribbons-commemorating-israeli-hostages-in-north-london-5HjdF2y2/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15167737/amp/woman-cuts-yellow-ribbons-israeli-hostages-london.html

https://inews.co.uk/news/anger-woman-filmed-cutting-down-ribbons-london-memorial-israeli-hostages-3961369

Cynically, I think this is an artist’s publicity stunt - the woman is an artist - I mean, not a very good one if she thinks destroying a memorial to innocent victims is art. Her husband is a Palestinian actor so she is probably trying to drum up publicity for him too. No such thing as bad publicity apparently. Disgraceful behaviour.

Well it will backfire massively. I think in this situation there is a case of it being bad publicity. People like this just have no self awareness at all. She’s just an idiot.

"The Haganah did not bomb the King David Hotel. That attack was carried out by the Irgun and was publicly condemned by the Yishuv’s leadership."

@sabababa - I didn't say that they carried it out, I said they sanctioned it - and the Jerusalem Post agrees:

and from the Jerusalem post:
Many people are convinced that the British might have remained here indefinitely - were it not for violent actions by the underground (Etzel, Lehi, and the Hagana)...
Although the Hagana had sanctioned the King David bombing, world-wide condemnation caused the organization to distance itself from the attack. As a result, the blast signified the end of a period known as the United Resistance, in which the Hagana, Etzel and Lehi more or less worked together in an attempt to oust the British.

Again, that is not me saying it - that is the Jerusalem post saying it.

I have not called them 'terrorists' I called them ultra zionist and said they used terrorism and committed terrorist acts - for clarification - from my first post:

The use of terrorism by Hamas in fighting for a Palestinian state is no different to the use of terrorism by ultra zionist groups like Hagannah, Irgun and Lehi in the 1940's when they formed the 'Jewish Resistance Movement' and were fighting for an Israeli state (including the assassination of Baron Moyne, the bombing of the King David hotel and the Deir Yassin massacre)

The definition of terrorism is: the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

Plan Dalet was written by Haganah and literally laid out the sanctioning of the destruction of villages and expulsion of their populations

Discussions about Hagana's and Palmach's role specifically, whether they were linked to or completely separate from Irgun and Lehi and whether they should be called terrorists or not (and I emphasise again - I did not call them terrorists) can go on forever, but all of the historians and sociologists agree that they were paramilitaries.

And yes, of course it's all contextual - just as what is going on today is contextual, but while context may provide a reason for it, it doesn't excuse acts of terror that result in the deaths of innocent people and especially children.

So there were no massacre or murder of innocent Palestinians by the Israel government before Hamas?

It is not ok. What you said was antisemitic.

Why did you talk about ‘the Jews’, rather than ‘the Israeli government’, or even ‘Israel’?

Unfortunately I expect there were.

But you are claiming there was a day on which Israelis entered another country, raped, tortured, mutilated and murdered civilians from babies to the elderly in their homes or at a peace festival, leaving about 1200 dead, and kidnapped about 250 others. Please show us the evidence.

Oh dear, what I said was not antisemitic. Are members of the Israeli government not Jewish?

It wasn't at a festival, homes are more than enough. The displacement, rape and torture and murder of innocent Palestinians was no different, if not worse comparing causalities.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7ahKbjgdiR/

Israeli soldiers talking about what they did in 1948

This is embarrassing, not to mention utterly abhorrent.

Educate yourself.

Let's clarify. Do you therefore believe that October 7, with teenagers at a music festival for peace being brutalised, raped and murdered, and families who lived in kibbutzes - including individuals who were known peace activists, individuals who'd helped Gazan citizens - who were tortured and murdered in their homes, and some kidnapped, (and who were partly targeted precisely BECAUSE it was known where they lived) elderly people shot dead in the streets, with much of it filmed on GoPro and sent to the families of the murdered as it was happening by those gleefully carrying out, can therefore be justified in some way as an example of "glorious resistance", such as how it was referred to in celebration of the event by numbers of people on the streets of Gaza and other countries, including the UK? People like this woman?

Do you think October 7, was in a way "deserved" by the people who it happened to and view it as a pogrom because they were Israeli/Jewish so ripe for it regardless of point in time, their personal views? And stemming from that, do you think their families should be prevented from commemorating what happened to their loved ones, or be allowed to remember without their memorials being torn down by self aggrandising, self righteous members of the UK public, who appear to truly believe they are being the good guys by doing so?

No, you wanted to see evidence that Israeli soldiers raped, killed, burned and harmed innocent people.

I showed you their confessions on camera, happy and smiling and without any sympathy.

Smiling whilst they tell a story of young girls getting raped.

People trapped in cages getting shot with machine guns, clips refilled and shot again.

These are just a few stories.

Stop moving the goal posts and changing the questions.

So terrorism's okay if the people are desperate, have faced oppression and are trying to get their own state right?

It was wrong then, and it's wrong now. Hence those acts of terrorism were wrong, just like the 7/10 ones are.

To "colonise" yet all they've asked for is to be treated fairly after being treated as second rate citizens and forced out of their homes. Does that sound logical to you? Especially when you compare the population of both with the killings on both sides. You've written paragraphs completely regurgitating the same thing, ignoring the point. Wanting Palestinians to be treated fairly and equally, even well before Hamas came into power is all pro-Palestinians want. It doesn't mean pro-Hamas or wanting to get rid of Jews. That's the propaganda the media want to hide behind and promote when justifying eradicating a whole group of people after treating them like cattle for years and the same way as well before Oct 7. Oct 7 was atrocious but lets not act like it started only then.

I mean every time I see a story about a group of people being disrespectful it’s always the pro- Palestinians. If they care so much about the innocent civilians then surely they should be calling for Hammas to be replaced by a proper governing body that aren’t you know, terrorists?

Jews are not terrorists are you crazy?

I didn't call Jews terrorists. I stated that ultra zionist groups committed acts of terror but was very specific about not calling them terrorists and I certainly did not say that 'Jews' were terrorists - in fact I specifically called another poster out for doing that.

Yes mad behaviour and decisions and probably terror too.

So you agree those actions did cause terror?

Jews do not use tactic of terror usually or since.

No 'Jews' don't, but the Israeli government and settlers in the West Bank do.

2000 dead, 100,000 injured and 21,000 displaced Palestinians in the West Bank since 2008 is testament to that. Ali Dawabsheh's brother and grandfather would also likely say the same.

The Jews were desperate

And many of them worked politically to achieve their aims without resorting to massacring and displacing whole villages.

Many Palastinians are desperate now - doesn't make what Hamas are doing OK though.

Wow, the education here you receive is very strange and not really factual.

There really is no need to resort to ad hominem attacks is there?

You haven't highlighted anything that I actually said as not factual - only what you misunderstood me to have said.

This is such bullshit. No one is "ethnically Palestinian" in the same way that no one is "ethnically British". When in history was there a country called Palestine? Who was their leader before Arafat? What was their currency? Believe lies if you want to but don't trot them out as "truths" because someone has presented you with the facts and they're too hard to stomach.

Using 'Jews' in the way you did was absolutely antisemitic.

Its no better than people using 'Palestinians' or 'Muslims' when they are talking about Hamas.

You are spot on.

None of this lot would move and live in Palestine yet support them. Absolute hypocrites.
Support Israel and the Jewish community who the British need to support.

I have seen that 1948 video before and did not dispute it (I also wasn't the person who asked you for it).

Asking the question I did is not "moving the goalposts". It is highly relevant to the topic of this entire thread, which is about the events of October 7 specifically and reactions to that. Be good if you can answer.

(And if any doubt, the question was "Do you think the events of October 7 and who was targeted were justified resistance? And do you think it's justified to tear down ribbons put up in memorial to the people killed and kidnapped on that date?")

Getting rid of Jews (not "resisting the current Israeli government" or "wanting peace") is a key doctrine of Hamas. It's in their covenant. What they want isn't about "Palestinians just being treated fairly":

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.”

Its introduction says:
"This Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), clarifies its picture, reveals its identity, outlines its stand, explains its aims, speaks about its hopes, and calls for its support, adoption and joining its ranks. Our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious … It is a step that inevitably should be followed by other steps."

"“The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.”

And what on earth do you think "from the river to the sea" actually means? It means that Israel (and its population) will no longer exist. Again, this is not "just asking to be treated fairly" and if you really do imagine it is when that slogan is shouted you are being terribly naive.