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To be utterly disgusted by the woman cutting down yellow ribbons commemorating the October 7th victims in Muswell Hill yesterday morning

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AngeloMysterioso · 07/10/2025 09:43

When Jewish people are being attacked and murdered on their way to synagogue on Yom Kippur

When you literally can’t move or look in any direction without Palestine Palestine Palestine in our faces

On the eve of the anniversary of the worst atrocity committed against Jewish people since the Holocaust, a small, unobtrusive memorial for the victims of that unthinkable, barbaric attack was destroyed yesterday by a despicable woman who turned up with scissors and cut the ribbons down, one by one.

Ribbons for women and girls who were raped and murdered.
Ribbons for babies ripped from their parents’ arms and slaughtered.
Ribbons for men beaten to death.
Ribbons for the hostages still suffering every moment.

And this disgusting individual took it upon herself to come along with a pair of scissors and cut each one away. Her excuse? They “condone genocide”.

Let’s not pretend for a moment that that was her true motivation. It was a revolting demonstration of the antisemitism that has become so shamefully rife in this country that it sickens me.

This woman needs to be named and shamed for the loathsome person she is.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/07/woman-filmed-cutting-ribbons-commemorating-israeli-hostages/

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/met-police-woman-ribbons-israel-hostages-london-manchester-synagogue-b1251594.html

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/woman-filmed-cutting-down-ribbons-commemorating-israeli-hostages-in-north-london-5HjdF2y2/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15167737/amp/woman-cuts-yellow-ribbons-israeli-hostages-london.html

https://inews.co.uk/news/anger-woman-filmed-cutting-down-ribbons-london-memorial-israeli-hostages-3961369

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Linzloopy · 07/10/2025 21:23

sabababa · 07/10/2025 19:22

Much of my family were refugees and displaced. Grandparens on my side, my father in law on my husband's, although he was a baby so really his grandparents. 1920s through 1940s. Guess what? They didn't become terrorists and kill innocent civilians.

How much displacement was there in the 1940s? How many hundreds of millions of refugees?

Why is it only the Palestinians are refugees in perpetuity? Whose refugee status never ends (literally, they have a different legal definition to any other refugee covered by the 1951 convention which does not apply to palestinian refugees)? Who have their very own refugee agency (UNRWA) while all the other refugees of the world only have UNHCR?

Exactly.

PrincessC0nsuelaBananaHammock · 07/10/2025 21:29

nomas · 07/10/2025 18:00

Are you a fan of the IDF? Would you be offended if there were signs saying Fuck the IDF?

No, I wouldn't be offended. Why is anyone who ISN'T a terrorist offended by a sign saying fuck Hamas? Confused

confusedlady10 · 07/10/2025 21:30

sabababa · 07/10/2025 20:47

Hamas was blowing up buses in the 1990s to derail the peace process which would have led to a Palestinian state and an end to the conflict whjch has led to displacement and muder on both sides.

Were Hamas in power then? The peace process has only ever benefited the Israelis, whos government again had been killing and raping innocent Palestinians well before Hamas came into power.

CJsGoldfish · 07/10/2025 21:32

Nestingbirds · 07/10/2025 20:46

You can’t address it - because then you would have to admit that you have no interest in peace at all. You answered with a lack of an answer. Thanks

Meh.
I did. In my post. You just proved my point. Thanks :)

confusedlady10 · 07/10/2025 21:33

WeeGeeBored · 07/10/2025 21:09

We are not the ones who declared a genocide. Many organisations who are qualified to do so and who undertook enquiries into the whole affair are the ones who have declared what is going on in Gaza a genocide. Who are we to disagree with that?

Exactly. No matter what people believe or whose "side" they are on, people shouldn't deny that.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 07/10/2025 21:35

sabababa · 07/10/2025 20:49

Definitely would be easier without generalizing about calling all Palestinians terrorists or describing Israeli society as depraved.
Civilians should never be targets. Full stop.

Ukraine seems to manage to be at war without ever targeting civilians.

I’m sure some people there might argue that they should fight back like-for-like but their govt has been incredibly restrained whilst fighting against genocide.

I’m unsure if any country has ever waged war in so restrained a fashion in world history!

I have massive amounts of respect for them as a nation, but sadly it’s come at an incredibly high price.

Ayoopkid · 07/10/2025 21:35

Linzloopy · 07/10/2025 21:23

Exactly.

I’m a refugee from Yemen. Left everything behind, our home, belongings, livestock, anything that couldn’t fit into a cloth bag or our body. Even if I wanted to go back, to show my children where I lived, I can’t. They don’t allow Jews there. I came to England, learned English, watched my parents work themselves to death to pay for my education. I’ve fully assimilated into British culture and I never tell anyone I’m Jewish because I’m terrified about what they did to us in San’aa. Luckily I’m brown skinned and speak Arabic so it makes life a lot easier for me. I can be whoever I want to make myself feel accepted. Trust me, Palestinians (actually they are Egyptian and Jordanian, and even the barbaric primitive Yemens I use to live with think they are too dangerous to accept, and I’m talking about Yemen!!!! ) are not refugees from Gaza or Israel. The true original Arabs who lived in the Ottoman Empire now live as citizens in Taybe, Tira, Haifa, Akko, Jaffa alongside their Jewish and Christian brothers. The ones who call themselves Palestinians are actually Jordanians Egyptians and some Syrians who decided to become refugees because they thought their country would get rid of the Jews in the 50’s. Even their surnames show you where they originate!
I am so bewildered at things I’m reading here, I thought Brits were educated, open minded, intelligent. It seems they too can be indoctrinated and manipulated. It’s a shame, because you really really do not want to go the same way as Lebanon and Iran and Yemen.

nomas · 07/10/2025 21:38

YellowDaze · 07/10/2025 21:18

You don't know what she was feeling but you absolutely, categorically, definitely know that it wasn't ' smug'? so convinced of this you've repeated it three times. Righto.

I said I donn’t think she didn’t look smug ‘to me’, why have you twisted that into ‘absolutely, categorically, definitely knowing that it wasn't ' smug'’?

And why aren’t you asking the person who said she ‘looks smug, defiant and hostile with a great sense of being puffed up with a sense of self-righteousness and a cast-iron conviction of being 'right' that only the relatively young and inexperienced can manage to maintain.’

They got all that from one clip? Righto.

Ayoopkid · 07/10/2025 21:40

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 07/10/2025 20:28

The 'what will they do when a peace deal happens' shows your misunderstanding of the situation. A peace deal is a massive improvement on genocide, but it's not going to resolve the issues here. That can only be resolved when there is a fully independent Palestinian state, which has control over its own borders, coast, airspace.

A place which Israel doesn't bomb whenever it fancies.

A place where Israel can't control what the Palestinians eat, where they go, even whether their kids are allowed to eat chocolate.

The West Bank free of Israeli settlements and checkpoints.

The apartheid system currently in place dismantled.

Those held without charge in Israeli prisons returned (especially the children).

The option of a review for the thousands convicted before military courts that have a 99% conviction rate.

An independent investigation into war crimes committed during war, and those with arrest warrants being extradited to face trial.

Justice for the tens of thousands of Palestinians killed or injured by settlers whilst the police and IDF either look away or assist them.

That's what needs resolving. It's a bit more than Trump's 20 point plan.

A place with zero Jews in it. You do know that right?? You’re ok with creating yet another Jew-free country? What’s wrong with everyone?? I am so confused by you people!

Nestingbirds · 07/10/2025 21:41

Ayoopkid · 07/10/2025 21:35

I’m a refugee from Yemen. Left everything behind, our home, belongings, livestock, anything that couldn’t fit into a cloth bag or our body. Even if I wanted to go back, to show my children where I lived, I can’t. They don’t allow Jews there. I came to England, learned English, watched my parents work themselves to death to pay for my education. I’ve fully assimilated into British culture and I never tell anyone I’m Jewish because I’m terrified about what they did to us in San’aa. Luckily I’m brown skinned and speak Arabic so it makes life a lot easier for me. I can be whoever I want to make myself feel accepted. Trust me, Palestinians (actually they are Egyptian and Jordanian, and even the barbaric primitive Yemens I use to live with think they are too dangerous to accept, and I’m talking about Yemen!!!! ) are not refugees from Gaza or Israel. The true original Arabs who lived in the Ottoman Empire now live as citizens in Taybe, Tira, Haifa, Akko, Jaffa alongside their Jewish and Christian brothers. The ones who call themselves Palestinians are actually Jordanians Egyptians and some Syrians who decided to become refugees because they thought their country would get rid of the Jews in the 50’s. Even their surnames show you where they originate!
I am so bewildered at things I’m reading here, I thought Brits were educated, open minded, intelligent. It seems they too can be indoctrinated and manipulated. It’s a shame, because you really really do not want to go the same way as Lebanon and Iran and Yemen.

Thank you for sharing your experience with us.

Sending you lots of love and best wishes for the future. The great thing about this country is its ability to learn, create something new, innovate with the times. You will hopefully enjoy your life here. This will settle down.

Linzloopy · 07/10/2025 21:42

Lifecanbebeautiful12 · 07/10/2025 19:22

You literally said it’s Palestinians fault for voting in Hamas…? And ‘regarding themselves as perpetual refugees’ is incredible. It shows you have a very limited understanding and education of this issue.

Wrong.

confusedlady10 · 07/10/2025 21:43

Nestingbirds · 07/10/2025 20:53

I remember that too. The offer has been on the table for 30 plus years. They don’t want peace, never did, they want to rid the world of an entire race. I feel like people either are totally uneducated on this or choose to ‘forget’

Israel isn’t going anywhere - the quicker they learn to accept it the better.

Edited

Blowing up buses while the Israeli government were raping and killing thousands which you conveniently ignore. I love how your answer is basically "they have stolen your land and have the power over you, take it or leave it if you want to survive."

CJsGoldfish · 07/10/2025 21:43

sabababa · 07/10/2025 20:54

I was reading the memoirs of one of the chief negotiatiors at camp david with Barak and Arafat. He said one of the reasons Arafat and other high level palestinians wouldn't sign was that they were so enamoured of their romantic role in the West as fighting oppression and colonialism and imperialism. They knew if they actually got their own state, given the divisions and corruption in their society, there likely would be civil war and they would end up just another failed Arab state. I think the pp's post just highlights how right he was.

"He said..."
There is a Pro-Israel view on why the peace process failed as you've noted.
Then there is the Pro-Palestinian view. The one where Arafat had made a historic compromise in conceding that the Palestinian state should exist only on the occupied territories. Israel still wanted more (to continue to annex the West Bank) and refused the right of return for refugees.
One of the main issues though was that Israel continued to expand it's occupied territory even whilst the peace protest was underway

sabababa · 07/10/2025 21:44

BloominNora · 07/10/2025 21:21

I wasn't cherry picking, I just chose three of the most high profile acts of terrorism - there were many more.

Even Israeli sources recognise that Haganah were a paramilitary group that committed violent acts, so it isn't even something that can be argued as in contention. They may have helped the British capture Irgun and Lehi members for a few months after Moyne was assassinated but through Palmach, they were involved of plenty of acts of terrorism.

Here are just two Israeli based sources that provide examples of Haganah's participation and complicity

From Jewish Virtual Library.org:

"At the end of the war, when it became clear that the British government had no intention of altering its anti-Zionist policy, the Haganah began an open, organized struggle against British Mandatory rule in the framework of a unified Jewish Resistance Movement, consisting of the Haganah, Irgun Zevai Le’umi - Etzel, and Lohamei Herut Yisrael — Lehi. In its most spectacular operation, the combined forces sabotaged British railways throughout Palestine on the “Night Of The Railways.”

and here in respect of the Palmach

For seven months after the assassination of Lord Moyne, members of the Palmach under the command of Shimon Avidan were involved in the “Hunting Season,” in which they cooperated with the British in an attempt to crush the Irgun (Etzel) and Stern Gang (Lehi). Later, however, David Ben-Gurion decided on October 1, 1945, the Jewish fighting forces should unite against the British in what became the Jewish Resistance Movement. On October 10, 1945, the first operation, a raid on the Atlit internment camp that freed 208 “illegal” immigrants held there, was carried out under the leadership of Yitzhak Rabin In November 1945, the movement launching a major attack on railroads across the country and sank several British ships. In the following months, the Movement carried out attacks upon British police posts, coast guard stations, radar installations and air-fields. In June 1946, the Palmach blew up ten of the eleven bridges connecting Palestine to its neighbouring countries.

and from the Jerusalem post:

Many people are convinced that the British might have remained here indefinitely - were it not for violent actions by the underground (Etzel, Lehi, and the Hagana)...

Although the Hagana had sanctioned the King David bombing, world-wide condemnation caused the organization to distance itself from the attack. As a result, the blast signified the end of a period known as the United Resistance, in which the Hagana, Etzel and Lehi more or less worked together in an attempt to oust the British.

Haganah were also aware and in support of Irgun's plans to attack Deir Yassin in the massacre which killed 100+, including women and children, and expelled over 700 people from their homes.

Again from the Jewish Virtual Library:

On April 6, Operation Nachshon was launched to open the road to Jerusalem. The village of Deir Yassin was included on the list of Arab villages to be occupied as part of the operation. The following day Haganah commander David Shaltiel wrote to the leaders of the Lehi and Irgun:
I learn that you plan an attack on Deir Yassin. I wish to point out that the capture of Deir Yassin and its holding are one stage in our general plan. I have no objection to your carrying out the operation provided you are able to hold the village. If you are unable to do so I warn you against blowing up the village which will result in its inhabitants abandoning it and its ruins and deserted houses being occupied by foreign forces....Furthermore, if foreign forces took over, this would upset our general plan for establishing an airfield.2
The Irgun decided to attack Deir Yassin on April 9, while the Haganah was still engaged in the battle for Kastel. This was the first major Irgun attack against the Arabs. Previously, the Irgun and Lehi had concentrated their attacks against the British.

So unless you are going to suggest that blowing up railway infrastructure, sanctioning bombings and massacres, sabotaging and raiding army bases and other violent attacks aren't terrorism, just because of who it was then you are just being disingenuous.

Planning and sanctioning acts of violence and destruction, even if the intent was to only damage infrastructure and not kill people, is still terrorism. Saying, "Ooops, didn't mean to kill anyone" and condemning it after the fact does not, give people a pass, no matter how much you might want it to.

The Haganah did not bomb the King David Hotel. That attack was carried out by the Irgun and was publicly condemned by the Yishuv’s leadership.

In the immediate post-war years, when the scale of the Holocaust was finally understood and hundreds of thousands of Jewish survivors had nowhere to go, the British still enforced the White Paper’s severe immigration limits. Only in 1946 did the Haganah begin applying real pressure on the Mandate authorities to open the gates. Until then it had broadly cooperated with the British—most notably during the saison, when it helped rein in Irgun and Lehi operations.

Deir Yassin must also be placed in its actual context: April 1948, a brutal civil war between Palestinian Arab and Palestinian zionist forces in the vacuum before the British departure. A massacre occurred—undeniable, tragic, and condemned at the time—but that single atrocity does not convert the Haganah into a “terrorist” organization any more than the Arab Liberation Army’ of the time was one - it was a civil war! Labels that flatten a chaotic and brutal civil war into propaganda slogans are not history

What the Haganah was, first and last, was a defensive militia born of necessity. It emerged because the British repeatedly failed to protect Jewish civilians from waves of Arab violence—most searingly the 1929 Hebron massacre and other pogroms—and because communities needed an organized shield while the Mandate crumbled.

To call the Haganah “terrorist” is not just intentionally disinegeuous; it erases the chronology, the distinctions between Jewish undergrounds, and the core fact that the Haganah’s mission was the protection of a besieged civilian population.

But who cares about nuance and historical accuracy?

confusedlady10 · 07/10/2025 21:45

Ayoopkid · 07/10/2025 21:40

A place with zero Jews in it. You do know that right?? You’re ok with creating yet another Jew-free country? What’s wrong with everyone?? I am so confused by you people!

I love how that's what you deduced from their comment and ignored all of their main points.

sabababa · 07/10/2025 21:45

CJsGoldfish · 07/10/2025 21:43

"He said..."
There is a Pro-Israel view on why the peace process failed as you've noted.
Then there is the Pro-Palestinian view. The one where Arafat had made a historic compromise in conceding that the Palestinian state should exist only on the occupied territories. Israel still wanted more (to continue to annex the West Bank) and refused the right of return for refugees.
One of the main issues though was that Israel continued to expand it's occupied territory even whilst the peace protest was underway

Not what Clinton said.

sabababa · 07/10/2025 21:51

confusedlady10 · 07/10/2025 21:30

Were Hamas in power then? The peace process has only ever benefited the Israelis, whos government again had been killing and raping innocent Palestinians well before Hamas came into power.

No, hamas later came into power on that same platfrom in Gaza after Israel withdrew.
Actually the peace process benefitted Palestinians A LOT.

Ayoopkid · 07/10/2025 21:52

confusedlady10 · 07/10/2025 21:45

I love how that's what you deduced from their comment and ignored all of their main points.

what does it matter her main points? They are irrelevant when we are discussing a Palestinian state - there is nothing moral, just or even acceptable about supporting yet another country that bans Jews. I’m telling you that this is what they did it Yemen, in Lebanon, in so many Arab countries which have become religious, woman hating shit holes. Anyway Palestinians won’t be happy with a country unless it’s from the river to the sea with absolutely no Jews. Again, what’s wrong with you people? Either you refuse to see the writing on the wall or you just really hate the Jewish nation.

sabababa · 07/10/2025 21:53

Ayoopkid · 07/10/2025 21:35

I’m a refugee from Yemen. Left everything behind, our home, belongings, livestock, anything that couldn’t fit into a cloth bag or our body. Even if I wanted to go back, to show my children where I lived, I can’t. They don’t allow Jews there. I came to England, learned English, watched my parents work themselves to death to pay for my education. I’ve fully assimilated into British culture and I never tell anyone I’m Jewish because I’m terrified about what they did to us in San’aa. Luckily I’m brown skinned and speak Arabic so it makes life a lot easier for me. I can be whoever I want to make myself feel accepted. Trust me, Palestinians (actually they are Egyptian and Jordanian, and even the barbaric primitive Yemens I use to live with think they are too dangerous to accept, and I’m talking about Yemen!!!! ) are not refugees from Gaza or Israel. The true original Arabs who lived in the Ottoman Empire now live as citizens in Taybe, Tira, Haifa, Akko, Jaffa alongside their Jewish and Christian brothers. The ones who call themselves Palestinians are actually Jordanians Egyptians and some Syrians who decided to become refugees because they thought their country would get rid of the Jews in the 50’s. Even their surnames show you where they originate!
I am so bewildered at things I’m reading here, I thought Brits were educated, open minded, intelligent. It seems they too can be indoctrinated and manipulated. It’s a shame, because you really really do not want to go the same way as Lebanon and Iran and Yemen.

Thank you for sharing and excellent points.
Ironically, a lot of Arabs moved to mandatory Palestine between 1917 and 1940 as it was economically successful. Yet they also became refugees in perpetuity even if they had moved only a few years ago to Palestine.

ThatCyanCat · 07/10/2025 21:54

Ayoopkid · 07/10/2025 21:35

I’m a refugee from Yemen. Left everything behind, our home, belongings, livestock, anything that couldn’t fit into a cloth bag or our body. Even if I wanted to go back, to show my children where I lived, I can’t. They don’t allow Jews there. I came to England, learned English, watched my parents work themselves to death to pay for my education. I’ve fully assimilated into British culture and I never tell anyone I’m Jewish because I’m terrified about what they did to us in San’aa. Luckily I’m brown skinned and speak Arabic so it makes life a lot easier for me. I can be whoever I want to make myself feel accepted. Trust me, Palestinians (actually they are Egyptian and Jordanian, and even the barbaric primitive Yemens I use to live with think they are too dangerous to accept, and I’m talking about Yemen!!!! ) are not refugees from Gaza or Israel. The true original Arabs who lived in the Ottoman Empire now live as citizens in Taybe, Tira, Haifa, Akko, Jaffa alongside their Jewish and Christian brothers. The ones who call themselves Palestinians are actually Jordanians Egyptians and some Syrians who decided to become refugees because they thought their country would get rid of the Jews in the 50’s. Even their surnames show you where they originate!
I am so bewildered at things I’m reading here, I thought Brits were educated, open minded, intelligent. It seems they too can be indoctrinated and manipulated. It’s a shame, because you really really do not want to go the same way as Lebanon and Iran and Yemen.

If you don't mind my asking, why do you think Egypt and Jordan have never offered to reabsorb the Gazans and West Bankers after the six day war? I think a lot of people truly have no understanding of how Gaza and the West Bank came to be as they are and really do think the Israelis just charged in and took over for no reason at some unspecified time.

I'd be pro two states if I thought it was possible, which it absolutely isn't under Hamas. But the Gazans could go back to being Egyptian and the West Bankers to being Jordanian. Why is this not an option?

User37482 · 07/10/2025 21:55

BoxesOnTheWardrobe · 07/10/2025 21:12

But they can march and shout from a safe country. Not their blood that is being spilled. Palestine is a useful proxy for their anti semitism.

I don’t get it, the conditions Gazan’s are living under are clearly horrific, I wouldn’t want it for my family. Yet the protesters don’t actually seem to want the very thing to happen that would end it all. It’s bewildering.

If I were a Palestinian I’d think these people were utter pricks tbh. Joyful yelling in the streets about globalising the infitada while I would just want an end to the war. I’ve never seen so many people claim something is a genocide and then go “oh no thanks don’t like that” when suggestions are made about how to stop the entire mess. I swear to god these rallies are just some people’s hobbies now.

HelenaWaiting · 07/10/2025 21:56

WeeGeeBored · 07/10/2025 21:09

We are not the ones who declared a genocide. Many organisations who are qualified to do so and who undertook enquiries into the whole affair are the ones who have declared what is going on in Gaza a genocide. Who are we to disagree with that?

Genocide is a legal term with a clear and very specific definition. Whether or not it has taken place is for a judge to decide - not you and not your invisible army of "organisations" who agree with you. The only reason the pro-Palestine rabble keep using it is to tie it to the Holocaust.

Ayoopkid · 07/10/2025 22:00

ThatCyanCat · 07/10/2025 21:54

If you don't mind my asking, why do you think Egypt and Jordan have never offered to reabsorb the Gazans and West Bankers after the six day war? I think a lot of people truly have no understanding of how Gaza and the West Bank came to be as they are and really do think the Israelis just charged in and took over for no reason at some unspecified time.

I'd be pro two states if I thought it was possible, which it absolutely isn't under Hamas. But the Gazans could go back to being Egyptian and the West Bankers to being Jordanian. Why is this not an option?

From what I understood from the information we had, these people were citizens of Egypt and Jordan. Gaza belonged to Egypt and the West Bank is the West Bank of Jordan not Israel (it is east of Israel). Arafat created an identity for them to prevent the success and safety of Israel in the 1960’s. In Yemen we called them “Mitzri” which means Egyptian. Palestinian isn’t even a word in Arabic we can’t say the letter “P”. It’s all a ploy by the Muslim brotherhood backed by Iran and Qatar. They don’t care how many Palestinians are sacrificed as long as they eventually get rid of the Jews - then the country will be absorbed at all 4 corners by Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Egypt. Easier to explain if you look on a map.

Ruby1985 · 07/10/2025 22:02

AngeloMysterioso · 07/10/2025 09:50

What’s wrong with Fuck Hamas stickers? Would pro Hamas stickers make you less uncomfortable?

Pro Israeli ones certainly will make us more uncomfortable..

Ruby1985 · 07/10/2025 22:04

AngeloMysterioso · 07/10/2025 09:50

What’s wrong with Fuck Hamas stickers? Would pro Hamas stickers make you less uncomfortable?

No one supports Hamas so stop trying to be smart! We don’t support the apartheid state either

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