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To be utterly disgusted by the woman cutting down yellow ribbons commemorating the October 7th victims in Muswell Hill yesterday morning

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AngeloMysterioso · 07/10/2025 09:43

When Jewish people are being attacked and murdered on their way to synagogue on Yom Kippur

When you literally can’t move or look in any direction without Palestine Palestine Palestine in our faces

On the eve of the anniversary of the worst atrocity committed against Jewish people since the Holocaust, a small, unobtrusive memorial for the victims of that unthinkable, barbaric attack was destroyed yesterday by a despicable woman who turned up with scissors and cut the ribbons down, one by one.

Ribbons for women and girls who were raped and murdered.
Ribbons for babies ripped from their parents’ arms and slaughtered.
Ribbons for men beaten to death.
Ribbons for the hostages still suffering every moment.

And this disgusting individual took it upon herself to come along with a pair of scissors and cut each one away. Her excuse? They “condone genocide”.

Let’s not pretend for a moment that that was her true motivation. It was a revolting demonstration of the antisemitism that has become so shamefully rife in this country that it sickens me.

This woman needs to be named and shamed for the loathsome person she is.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/07/woman-filmed-cutting-ribbons-commemorating-israeli-hostages/

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/met-police-woman-ribbons-israel-hostages-london-manchester-synagogue-b1251594.html

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/woman-filmed-cutting-down-ribbons-commemorating-israeli-hostages-in-north-london-5HjdF2y2/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15167737/amp/woman-cuts-yellow-ribbons-israeli-hostages-london.html

https://inews.co.uk/news/anger-woman-filmed-cutting-down-ribbons-london-memorial-israeli-hostages-3961369

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sabababa · 07/10/2025 19:43

Skodacool · 07/10/2025 19:36

@sabababa I think you’ll find that this supports my claim about Netanyahu and hamas
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
All of your claims are very much open for debate.

It's exactly what I said as well. He found Hamas useful but he didn't "support Hamas". Glad we agree.

And, no, none of my "claims" are up for debate. They are all 100% fact. Facts you mgiht not like, but facts nonetheless.

hihelenhi · 07/10/2025 19:43

nomas · 07/10/2025 19:40

I don’t know what she was feeling, I’m not a mind reader. But she didn’t respond to repeatedly being called disgusting, so I don’t think she was smug.

Jesus wept.

That's not what "smug" means. Sorry, but you appear to be seeing what you want to see. And ignoring what you don't.

sabababa · 07/10/2025 19:45

Skodacool · 07/10/2025 19:41

That’s why what the Jews have inflicted on Palestinians is so incomprehensible.

What "the Jews" have inflicted.

Interesting turn of phrase and now we understand the Manchester synagogue attack a bit more.

SpaceRaccoon · 07/10/2025 19:46

That’s why what the Jews have inflicted on Palestinians is so incomprehensible.

Oops, did you forget to say Zionist there?

hihelenhi · 07/10/2025 19:47

sabababa · 07/10/2025 19:45

What "the Jews" have inflicted.

Interesting turn of phrase and now we understand the Manchester synagogue attack a bit more.

Indeed.

sabababa · 07/10/2025 19:49

SpaceRaccoon · 07/10/2025 19:46

That’s why what the Jews have inflicted on Palestinians is so incomprehensible.

Oops, did you forget to say Zionist there?

Doesn't take long for the mask to fall, does it?

Same person probaly cries "but any time you criticize Israel you're called antisemtitic"

BunfightBetty · 07/10/2025 19:50

nomas · 07/10/2025 19:40

I don’t know what she was feeling, I’m not a mind reader. But she didn’t respond to repeatedly being called disgusting, so I don’t think she was smug.

We can often read people’s emotional states from their facial expressions, tone of voice and body language. We have ‘mirror neurons’ in the brain to help us do just that, as it’s an important part of our social interaction.

I’d read not responding to being called disgusting as possibly smug, probably feeling arrogant, like she feels she doesn’t need to account for herself, as she’s above the expectations placed on people inferior to her. Because she’s right and righteous (in her own twisted logic), and others who disagree with her are wrong and therefore bad people. It’s not the only possible interpretation, but I feel it would fit with her abhorrent actions.

BloominNora · 07/10/2025 19:53

nomas · 07/10/2025 15:57

It's actually worse, it's 67,144 Palestinians and 1,983 Israelis.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Gaza_war

Not to mention the 1,000 Palestinians killed in the West Bank since 7/10, 20 of whom were killed by Israeli Settlers.

Excluding the casualties from the Gaza conflict and 07/10 (which won't be included in the official figures until it can be verified after the war) - since 01/01/2008 across Gaza, West Bank and Israel there have been:

7,354 Palestinian deaths and 163,775 injuries
377 Israeli deaths and 6,720 injuries

In the West Bank alone:

1,998 Palestinian deaths and 100,669 injuries
180 Israeli deaths and 2,547 injuries

https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties

Since 2009 in the West Bank, 13,506 structures have been demolished and 21,516 people have been displaced.

https://www.ochaopt.org/data/demolition

Even if you believe that the people of Gaza are acceptable casualties in the war against Hamas, what is the excuse for the actions in the West Bank?

Are the people on this thread who are outraged by the celebration of the 7/10 attacks just as outraged by the celebrations of the death of 18 month old Ali Dawabsheh at a wedding where his photo was stabbed by guests, or the taunting of his grandfather outside the court where the trial eventually took place of two of the perpetrators with chants of: "Where's Ali? There's no Ali. Ali is burned. On the fire. Ali is on the grill" and "Where is Ali? Where is Riham? Where is Saad? It's too bad Ahmed didn't burn as well."

(excuse the Wikipedia link but it sums up the different sides. There is lots more info on various media outlets, but many obviously have their biases, so it is easier to use Wiki as a summary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duma_arson_attack )

Or what about in 2014 when Israelis who were supposedly living in fear from Hamas rocket attacks brought their children, camping chairs and food and drink to watch and celebrate while bombs were raining down on Gaza?:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israelis-cheer-gaza-bombing

Nobody thinks Hamas are the good guys, but their desire for Israel not to exist is no different to the Israeli governments desire for Palestine not to exist and civilians on both sides have behaved appallingly in celebrating the deaths of each other.

The use of terrorism by Hamas in fighting for a Palestinian state is no different to the use of terrorism by ultra zionist groups like Hagannah, Irgun and Lehi in the 1940's when they formed the 'Jewish Resistance Movement' and were fighting for an Israeli state (including the assassination of Baron Moyne, the bombing of the King David hotel and the Deir Yassin massacre)

When you consider all of that alongside the fact that Palestinian deaths outnumber Israeli deaths 5 to 1 across the territory and 11 to 1 in the West Bank and Palestinian injuries outnumber Israeli injuries 24 to 1 across the territory and 40 to 1 in the West Bank is it any surprise that people aren't willing to see Israel purely as the victim in all of this?

None of it is right, and it is innocent Israeli, Jewish and Palestinian men, women and children are the ones that suffer, but it is absolutely not as simple as self-defence following the 7/10 attacks and anyone who tries to say otherwise is being deliberately obtuse.

Data on casualties | United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs - Occupied Palestinian Territory

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https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties

CleverButScatty · 07/10/2025 19:55

sabababa · 07/10/2025 19:17

Yes but the fact is that anti semities are drawn to israel the way that flies are drawn to shit. You can't ignore that Israel is the only Jewish state and most Israelis are Jewish.

What are you even talking about? Which anti Semites are being drawn to Israel?

BloominNora · 07/10/2025 19:57

Skodacool · 07/10/2025 19:41

That’s why what the Jews have inflicted on Palestinians is so incomprehensible.

😒
'The Jews' have not inflicted anything on the Palestinians - the Israeli government have.

BoxesOnTheWardrobe · 07/10/2025 19:57

JustJani · 07/10/2025 09:47

I live in an area with a huge number of yellow ribbons and posters commemorating the victims and to be honest, it's uncomfortable. It's become more than a memorial, it's now a pro-Israel political statement. As demonstrated by the fact the ribbons are often accompanied by "Fuck Hamas" stickers and the like.

I do have some sympathy for Israel's position - more than the general public, probably - but I certainly don't support the current decimation of Palestine and I don't like the way the whole locality now seems to have been branded pro-Israeli, it doesn't represent me for sure.

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Can you explain why you think the Fuck Hamas stickers are offensive?

sabababa · 07/10/2025 19:58

BloominNora · 07/10/2025 19:53

Not to mention the 1,000 Palestinians killed in the West Bank since 7/10, 20 of whom were killed by Israeli Settlers.

Excluding the casualties from the Gaza conflict and 07/10 (which won't be included in the official figures until it can be verified after the war) - since 01/01/2008 across Gaza, West Bank and Israel there have been:

7,354 Palestinian deaths and 163,775 injuries
377 Israeli deaths and 6,720 injuries

In the West Bank alone:

1,998 Palestinian deaths and 100,669 injuries
180 Israeli deaths and 2,547 injuries

https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties

Since 2009 in the West Bank, 13,506 structures have been demolished and 21,516 people have been displaced.

https://www.ochaopt.org/data/demolition

Even if you believe that the people of Gaza are acceptable casualties in the war against Hamas, what is the excuse for the actions in the West Bank?

Are the people on this thread who are outraged by the celebration of the 7/10 attacks just as outraged by the celebrations of the death of 18 month old Ali Dawabsheh at a wedding where his photo was stabbed by guests, or the taunting of his grandfather outside the court where the trial eventually took place of two of the perpetrators with chants of: "Where's Ali? There's no Ali. Ali is burned. On the fire. Ali is on the grill" and "Where is Ali? Where is Riham? Where is Saad? It's too bad Ahmed didn't burn as well."

(excuse the Wikipedia link but it sums up the different sides. There is lots more info on various media outlets, but many obviously have their biases, so it is easier to use Wiki as a summary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duma_arson_attack )

Or what about in 2014 when Israelis who were supposedly living in fear from Hamas rocket attacks brought their children, camping chairs and food and drink to watch and celebrate while bombs were raining down on Gaza?:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israelis-cheer-gaza-bombing

Nobody thinks Hamas are the good guys, but their desire for Israel not to exist is no different to the Israeli governments desire for Palestine not to exist and civilians on both sides have behaved appallingly in celebrating the deaths of each other.

The use of terrorism by Hamas in fighting for a Palestinian state is no different to the use of terrorism by ultra zionist groups like Hagannah, Irgun and Lehi in the 1940's when they formed the 'Jewish Resistance Movement' and were fighting for an Israeli state (including the assassination of Baron Moyne, the bombing of the King David hotel and the Deir Yassin massacre)

When you consider all of that alongside the fact that Palestinian deaths outnumber Israeli deaths 5 to 1 across the territory and 11 to 1 in the West Bank and Palestinian injuries outnumber Israeli injuries 24 to 1 across the territory and 40 to 1 in the West Bank is it any surprise that people aren't willing to see Israel purely as the victim in all of this?

None of it is right, and it is innocent Israeli, Jewish and Palestinian men, women and children are the ones that suffer, but it is absolutely not as simple as self-defence following the 7/10 attacks and anyone who tries to say otherwise is being deliberately obtuse.

You are cherry picking. Always like this. Going to the few cases of Jewish terrorism.

Haganah didn't use terrorism and condemned the King David bombing.

God, the lack of historical knowledge by people setting themselves up here as somehow being knowledgable is astounding.

Go educate yourself about the Haganah and role of the Yishuv during the British mandate and come back.

CleverButScatty · 07/10/2025 19:59

BloominNora · 07/10/2025 19:57

😒
'The Jews' have not inflicted anything on the Palestinians - the Israeli government have.

You are completely right to highlight this. Conflation of Israel with Jews generally is anti-Semitic. As is conflating opposition to the actions of the Israeli government with general anti-Jewish sentiment.

sabababa · 07/10/2025 20:00

CleverButScatty · 07/10/2025 19:55

What are you even talking about? Which anti Semites are being drawn to Israel?

OK, let me write it slowly for you.

People with anti semitic views usually have a lot to say about Israel because it is a Jewish state. Usually negative.

HTH.

BoxesOnTheWardrobe · 07/10/2025 20:00

BloominNora · 07/10/2025 19:57

😒
'The Jews' have not inflicted anything on the Palestinians - the Israeli government have.

The Pro Palestinian activists don’t appear to be well educated on the whole. I have a colleague who goes on these marches and she tells everyone that her best source of news is TikTok because that’s the only place that tells the truth.

User37482 · 07/10/2025 20:01

Skodacool · 07/10/2025 19:41

That’s why what the Jews have inflicted on Palestinians is so incomprehensible.

I don’t think anyone should report this, let it stand. It’s entirely self explanatory.

sabababa · 07/10/2025 20:03

BoxesOnTheWardrobe · 07/10/2025 20:00

The Pro Palestinian activists don’t appear to be well educated on the whole. I have a colleague who goes on these marches and she tells everyone that her best source of news is TikTok because that’s the only place that tells the truth.

you see that here as well. The Haganah was apparently an ultra zionist terrorist group which makes no sense to anyone who knows even a bit of history.

Livelovebehappy · 07/10/2025 20:05

BoxesOnTheWardrobe · 07/10/2025 19:57

Can you explain why you think the Fuck Hamas stickers are offensive?

I think the masks are slipping on a few posting on here. They like to bleat about of course they can dislike Hamas but still be pro Palestinian. The reality is they can only keep up the pretence for a short while before they show us who they really are.

Skodacool · 07/10/2025 20:07

Lifecanbebeautiful12 · 07/10/2025 18:20

What a shameful thing to post. 60,000 plus Palestinians slaughtered with the UN and ICC declaring war crimes and genocide and you claim this is ‘Hamas propaganda’. Are you insinuating that Hamas have more means and influence to exert such successful propaganda over the entire world than Israel? A country that’s government and wealthy citizens openly use their wealth and power to buy and influence media outlets and government officials? Are you claiming that the horrors we have heard of out of Gaza, which have been independently verified, are made up by Hamas? Truly disgusting and absolutely not helping your cause at all.

Israel has pretty much said that all the local reporters in Gaza are Hamas. Why won’t they let international reporters in? Why have so many reporters been killed?

FrippEnos · 07/10/2025 20:08

Maybe we should just ban the whole lot and get rid of the double standards altogether.

No flying of flags
No memorials
No stickers
No free speech

sabababa · 07/10/2025 20:09

Skodacool · 07/10/2025 20:07

Israel has pretty much said that all the local reporters in Gaza are Hamas. Why won’t they let international reporters in? Why have so many reporters been killed?

@Skodacool Wow! You actually came back and think that everyone will just ignore your rabidly antisemtic comment?!

Everythingwillbeokeventually44 · 07/10/2025 20:11

Palestine fatigue is real!!
Disgraceful behaviour by the deluded fools.

Lifecanbebeautiful12 · 07/10/2025 20:12

BloominNora · 07/10/2025 19:53

Not to mention the 1,000 Palestinians killed in the West Bank since 7/10, 20 of whom were killed by Israeli Settlers.

Excluding the casualties from the Gaza conflict and 07/10 (which won't be included in the official figures until it can be verified after the war) - since 01/01/2008 across Gaza, West Bank and Israel there have been:

7,354 Palestinian deaths and 163,775 injuries
377 Israeli deaths and 6,720 injuries

In the West Bank alone:

1,998 Palestinian deaths and 100,669 injuries
180 Israeli deaths and 2,547 injuries

https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties

Since 2009 in the West Bank, 13,506 structures have been demolished and 21,516 people have been displaced.

https://www.ochaopt.org/data/demolition

Even if you believe that the people of Gaza are acceptable casualties in the war against Hamas, what is the excuse for the actions in the West Bank?

Are the people on this thread who are outraged by the celebration of the 7/10 attacks just as outraged by the celebrations of the death of 18 month old Ali Dawabsheh at a wedding where his photo was stabbed by guests, or the taunting of his grandfather outside the court where the trial eventually took place of two of the perpetrators with chants of: "Where's Ali? There's no Ali. Ali is burned. On the fire. Ali is on the grill" and "Where is Ali? Where is Riham? Where is Saad? It's too bad Ahmed didn't burn as well."

(excuse the Wikipedia link but it sums up the different sides. There is lots more info on various media outlets, but many obviously have their biases, so it is easier to use Wiki as a summary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duma_arson_attack )

Or what about in 2014 when Israelis who were supposedly living in fear from Hamas rocket attacks brought their children, camping chairs and food and drink to watch and celebrate while bombs were raining down on Gaza?:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israelis-cheer-gaza-bombing

Nobody thinks Hamas are the good guys, but their desire for Israel not to exist is no different to the Israeli governments desire for Palestine not to exist and civilians on both sides have behaved appallingly in celebrating the deaths of each other.

The use of terrorism by Hamas in fighting for a Palestinian state is no different to the use of terrorism by ultra zionist groups like Hagannah, Irgun and Lehi in the 1940's when they formed the 'Jewish Resistance Movement' and were fighting for an Israeli state (including the assassination of Baron Moyne, the bombing of the King David hotel and the Deir Yassin massacre)

When you consider all of that alongside the fact that Palestinian deaths outnumber Israeli deaths 5 to 1 across the territory and 11 to 1 in the West Bank and Palestinian injuries outnumber Israeli injuries 24 to 1 across the territory and 40 to 1 in the West Bank is it any surprise that people aren't willing to see Israel purely as the victim in all of this?

None of it is right, and it is innocent Israeli, Jewish and Palestinian men, women and children are the ones that suffer, but it is absolutely not as simple as self-defence following the 7/10 attacks and anyone who tries to say otherwise is being deliberately obtuse.

Really well written and educated post, thank you.

I want to also remind people of the murder of the 23 year old American woman, Rachel Corrie, who was purposely ran over by an IDF tank after she stood in front of it to protest them demolishing Palestinian homes. Following her death Israelis made fun of her by making ‘Rachel Corrie pancakes’ with her face on. There is a depravity, hatred and supremacy that is rampant in Israeli society and has been unleashed on Palestinian civilians for 76 years.

Gratefulforanotherday · 07/10/2025 20:13

The God of Abraham will judge everybody.
Christians, Jews, Muslims and everyone else.

The back and forth and the hate just feeds into it. It’s a mess beyond humans being able to sort it. We have messed up.

FigTreeInEurope · 07/10/2025 20:15

I wonder if humanity will ever grow out of religion?

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