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To be utterly disgusted by the woman cutting down yellow ribbons commemorating the October 7th victims in Muswell Hill yesterday morning

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AngeloMysterioso · 07/10/2025 09:43

When Jewish people are being attacked and murdered on their way to synagogue on Yom Kippur

When you literally can’t move or look in any direction without Palestine Palestine Palestine in our faces

On the eve of the anniversary of the worst atrocity committed against Jewish people since the Holocaust, a small, unobtrusive memorial for the victims of that unthinkable, barbaric attack was destroyed yesterday by a despicable woman who turned up with scissors and cut the ribbons down, one by one.

Ribbons for women and girls who were raped and murdered.
Ribbons for babies ripped from their parents’ arms and slaughtered.
Ribbons for men beaten to death.
Ribbons for the hostages still suffering every moment.

And this disgusting individual took it upon herself to come along with a pair of scissors and cut each one away. Her excuse? They “condone genocide”.

Let’s not pretend for a moment that that was her true motivation. It was a revolting demonstration of the antisemitism that has become so shamefully rife in this country that it sickens me.

This woman needs to be named and shamed for the loathsome person she is.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/07/woman-filmed-cutting-ribbons-commemorating-israeli-hostages/

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/met-police-woman-ribbons-israel-hostages-london-manchester-synagogue-b1251594.html

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/woman-filmed-cutting-down-ribbons-commemorating-israeli-hostages-in-north-london-5HjdF2y2/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15167737/amp/woman-cuts-yellow-ribbons-israeli-hostages-london.html

https://inews.co.uk/news/anger-woman-filmed-cutting-down-ribbons-london-memorial-israeli-hostages-3961369

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EmeraldRoulette · 07/10/2025 18:27

freakingscared · 07/10/2025 14:31

I’m going to say this the politest way possible so I don’t get banned !
I am not Jewish , I’m not right voter, I’m not a trump supporter .
I absolutely despise anyone marching for Palestine today , having coffee and cakes mornings for Palestine today and obviously this creature cutting the bows ! Anyone doing any of those today when so many people got killed during a terrorist attack when so many children lost their life’s , saw their parents loose their life’s deserves no consideration at all !

Thank you

As someone who suffered bereavement in a terror attack, I really cannot comprehend this. Absolutely no humanity.

I saw it yesterday and I've been too angry to say anything until now.

is this one of those situations where human beings don't see each other as human beings anymore? Just see them as avatars or something.

PurpleThistle7 · 07/10/2025 18:29

I don’t think Hamas and Palestinian are synonyms. Nor do I think Jewish and Israeli are. Or indeed Jewish and Netanyahu to finish the comparison. When I say f Hamas I mean that very specifically. When I say f Netanyahu I mean that as well.

you can’t say both that Jews shouldn’t be offended by the slogans on these signs because they say ‘globalise the intifada’ and not ‘let’s murder Jews’ and also say that we can’t say F* Hamas without meaning something worse.

I might take off work the rest of the week and let them cover up the flyers and graffiti and move on from their self satisfaction first. I am so, so tired.

YellowDaze · 07/10/2025 18:30

nomas · 07/10/2025 18:05

She's a Jewish Palestinian, married to a Palestinian, that doesn't make him or her Hamas.

I don't agree with cutting ribbons but I can't see where she looks smug.

You think she wasn't looking smug? Well, to you how DID she look? Because it certainly wasn't unhappy or reflective or hesitant; otherwise she wouldn't have carried out those actions

Lifecanbebeautiful12 · 07/10/2025 18:31

Linzloopy · 07/10/2025 18:12

What a dreadful shame they opened the door to all that misery for their descendants.

You know how the majority of the British public voted for Brexit? Does that mean that the consequences of that are the fault of every British person, even the ones who voted remain? This is how stupid your argument is. The Israeli government has slaughtered and oppressed Palestinians since the day it was created. Voting Hamas in 19 years ago is not the cause. Let us not forget that the members of Hamas are Palestinian people who have been driven from their homes and murdered by a hostile neighbouring occupying army for 76 years. Yahya Sinwar was literally born in a refugee camp created by Israel. I personally find that concept hard to even imagine - to literally have had my home stolen from me and my family and to be forced into a refugee camp in my own country. Before the usual pro Israeli manipulation/propaganda machines come out saying I am supporting Hamas actions on October 7, I am absolutely not. But it is such a simple argument to a hugely complex situation. To call Hamas terrorists and IDF an army is just unacceptable considering the heinous, daily terrorist attacks committed by the IDF. To claim Palestinians deserve to be slaughtered because a government was voted in 19 years ago is baseless. From all the posts I have read in the past few days on this issue, my post is the only one I have seen of anyone pointing this out. Pro Israeli posters on the other hand are absolutely happy to post disgusting, offensive things about Palestinians deserving slaughter, Israel is only defending itself, they voted in Hamas so it’s their fault. Etc. But if anybody dares to disagree we are hounded on for being anti semitic and bullied into silence.

MidnightMusing5 · 07/10/2025 18:34

As a Muslim, I am sick of people associating Judaism with genocide. The genocide is being done by Zionism/ nationalism. It has nothing to do with Judaism.
There are Palestinian Christian and Jews too(!)

It is disrespectful the ribbons being cut and it shouldn’t be allowed. I’m sorry this is happening.

Lifecanbebeautiful12 · 07/10/2025 18:36

Nestingbirds · 07/10/2025 18:26

Actually Iran backs Hamas and have been funnelling both funds and weapons to them for decades.

And Qatar, all channeled to Hamas by Netanyahu who has been quoted as saying it is important to fund Hamas to ensure Gaza and the West Bank are governed by different parties to create division and thwart a unified Palestinian State. However, my point still stands - Israel has the means and a long, open history of using propaganda to further its agenda. The genocide in Gaza is not made up by Hamas.

Nestingbirds · 07/10/2025 18:36

The reason the ribbons are an issue is due to pure anti semitism and nothing more or less. Anyone with an ounce of humanity would have been respectful and compassionate.

The zealots that are a signed up member of a terrorist organisation will find any reason they can to demonise the Jewish community, so they can remain true to their hatred of Jews.

I will say only one thing IF you cared about the children of Gaza, IF you gave a damn about the suffering and misery in Palestine you would stop your rabid protests full of racial hatred and call an immediate END to the war via the peace plan. Can we expect that to happen now?

I doubt it, because it has nothing to do with the above, that’s just a convenient fig leaf to cover your blatant anti semitism and the protests are a way of making the Jewish communities sad and afraid in their own country.

We really do see you now.

Nestingbirds · 07/10/2025 18:37

Lifecanbebeautiful12 · 07/10/2025 18:36

And Qatar, all channeled to Hamas by Netanyahu who has been quoted as saying it is important to fund Hamas to ensure Gaza and the West Bank are governed by different parties to create division and thwart a unified Palestinian State. However, my point still stands - Israel has the means and a long, open history of using propaganda to further its agenda. The genocide in Gaza is not made up by Hamas.

Stop lying.

BunfightBetty · 07/10/2025 18:39

LadyGreyjoy · 07/10/2025 18:15

No, putting ribbons up for a memorial is not the same as condoning genocide, obviously.

But every time it is raised in this thread that israel are committing genocide and protesting that is not antisimetic the OP is coming out with bullshit like this

"Let’s not pretend that if Israel truly wanted to completely destroy Palestine and kill every living person there, it would have happened by now. They could have done it within a week.
Genocide is what Hamas would do to Israel if they had the means. Their stated aim is to wipe Israel and all Jewish people from the face of the earth."

I don’t think that is ‘bullshit’ as such. In the sense fhat what she says is all true. However, I can see that just saying those things without qualification can come across as though the suffering of the people in Gaza is being dismissed or minimised, when the reality is the suffering is huge.

Lifecanbebeautiful12 · 07/10/2025 18:40

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confusedlady10 · 07/10/2025 18:42

Nestingbirds · 07/10/2025 17:23

Because Israel do have the means, and have not even considered using them. The same could not be said for Hamas on the other hand.

So then what about the displacement and killing of thousands of innocent Palestinians via the Israeli government before Hamas came into power?

raffegiraffe · 07/10/2025 18:46

Nestingbirds · 07/10/2025 12:01

IF you are anti genocide (aren’t we all!!) when it comes to the Israelis that were slaughtered in their beds I assume you feel just as horrified about that?

The sadness of the death is the same. For me there is something fundamentally different between a terrorist group doing a massacre and a government doing a genocide.

Thegreyhound · 07/10/2025 18:50

Linzloopy · 07/10/2025 18:12

What a dreadful shame they opened the door to all that misery for their descendants.

What a truly awful thing to say.

FunnyOrca · 07/10/2025 18:53

I cannot believe what I just watched on the BBC and to hear no arrest has been made and the Met are trying to decide whether a crime has been committed! Flagrant anti-semitism! We are not safe in Britain as long as people, like this woman, continue to conflate Judaism and the actions of Israel.

I sincerely hope the hostages are all returned in the coming days, as the news seems to be implying they might.

HRTQueen · 07/10/2025 19:01

It’s shameful, cruel and spiteful

there can be no reasoning

Thegreyhound · 07/10/2025 19:04

FunnyOrca · 07/10/2025 18:53

I cannot believe what I just watched on the BBC and to hear no arrest has been made and the Met are trying to decide whether a crime has been committed! Flagrant anti-semitism! We are not safe in Britain as long as people, like this woman, continue to conflate Judaism and the actions of Israel.

I sincerely hope the hostages are all returned in the coming days, as the news seems to be implying they might.

But conflating the actions of Israel with the Jewish people is exactly what some posters here do when they say that critics of Israel are being antisemitic. No one can win it seems.

Theimpossiblegirl · 07/10/2025 19:04

Israel are committing genocide.
The events of October 7th were awful and the hostages should all be released.
It is possible to believe both.

Cutting the ribbons was a disgusting thing to do.

TakeMe2Insanity · 07/10/2025 19:04

hihelenhi · 07/10/2025 17:51

She's married to another Hamas supporter, and yes. Her actions are anti-semitic. Yours is a "some of my best friends are black so I can't be racist" argument.

What this stupid, posh idiot did was despicable, and yes, actively choosing to cut down ribbons that are there to remember specific people who were murdered, raped, brutalised and kidnapped is an active expression of hatred and disdain towards them, their families and those who are mourning them. Do you think those people 'deserved' what happened to them? Try and answer without saying "no, but..." Because that means yes and we all know it does.

How would you respond if Jewish activists in the UK performatively went around cutting down ribbons that were placed by Palestinian and Muslim families to commemorate particular loved ones who had died? Would you call that "freedom fighting" and "resistance" too? Would you go and desecrate the memorials to those who died in 9/11, regardless of your views of the rights and wrongs of the war that followed and feel both good about it and that you were making some stand against oppression?

The reason people are saying the actions of this stupid woman are anti-semitic is because she would almost certainly not be doing it with a smug smile on her face and people would not be whatabouting on this if the victims were anyone other than Jews.

I’ve literally posted a link to a news story many people wouldn’t have seen it.

Nestingbirds · 07/10/2025 19:05

raffegiraffe · 07/10/2025 18:46

The sadness of the death is the same. For me there is something fundamentally different between a terrorist group doing a massacre and a government doing a genocide.

Hamas is a government too - as well as a terrorist organisation. It can be both.

SuratNuJaman · 07/10/2025 19:05

HRTQueen · 07/10/2025 19:01

It’s shameful, cruel and spiteful

there can be no reasoning

Reasoning could be anger, sort of Israel killing 60,000+ people in the last few months, due to anger?

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 07/10/2025 19:05

That woman is a disgrace OP. Does it help at all to say that she’s one woman?

Most people who care about Palestinian civilians, I think, don’t share her views.

Unfortunately there is a minority amongst those protesting who are either deliberate “bad actors” or have lost the plot.

I personally care for both the Israeli and Palestinian civilians who are suffering, everyone from the hostages to the children dying in Gaza, as well the Jewish and Muslim people in the UK who are being targeted.

I have no time either for Hamas or the current Israeli government.

Linzloopy · 07/10/2025 19:09

Lifecanbebeautiful12 · 07/10/2025 18:31

You know how the majority of the British public voted for Brexit? Does that mean that the consequences of that are the fault of every British person, even the ones who voted remain? This is how stupid your argument is. The Israeli government has slaughtered and oppressed Palestinians since the day it was created. Voting Hamas in 19 years ago is not the cause. Let us not forget that the members of Hamas are Palestinian people who have been driven from their homes and murdered by a hostile neighbouring occupying army for 76 years. Yahya Sinwar was literally born in a refugee camp created by Israel. I personally find that concept hard to even imagine - to literally have had my home stolen from me and my family and to be forced into a refugee camp in my own country. Before the usual pro Israeli manipulation/propaganda machines come out saying I am supporting Hamas actions on October 7, I am absolutely not. But it is such a simple argument to a hugely complex situation. To call Hamas terrorists and IDF an army is just unacceptable considering the heinous, daily terrorist attacks committed by the IDF. To claim Palestinians deserve to be slaughtered because a government was voted in 19 years ago is baseless. From all the posts I have read in the past few days on this issue, my post is the only one I have seen of anyone pointing this out. Pro Israeli posters on the other hand are absolutely happy to post disgusting, offensive things about Palestinians deserving slaughter, Israel is only defending itself, they voted in Hamas so it’s their fault. Etc. But if anybody dares to disagree we are hounded on for being anti semitic and bullied into silence.

Yeah, yeah.

The start of your rant is ludicrous because I have never said, and never would say, that the consequences of Hamas's actions are the fault of every Palestinian.

The rest is totally one-sided. Approx 700,000 Jews were forced out of Arab countries in the twentieth century, places their families had lived in for hundreds of years. So they made new lives for themselves elsewhere. They didn’t regard themselves and their descendants as perpetual refugees.

BunfightBetty · 07/10/2025 19:11

Thegreyhound · 07/10/2025 19:04

But conflating the actions of Israel with the Jewish people is exactly what some posters here do when they say that critics of Israel are being antisemitic. No one can win it seems.

Hmmm, some might say that without a real foundation. But it very much depends on what is said and how it is said.

There's always the cry of 'you can't criticise Israel without being accused of antisemitism' the minute anyone points out racism, yet while it is perfectly legitimate to criticise the Israeli government's actions (and boy is there much to criticise), some of the criticism DOES stray into antisemitic territory and it's important that it's called out when it happens.

Linzloopy · 07/10/2025 19:14

Thegreyhound · 07/10/2025 18:50

What a truly awful thing to say.

Why?
You don’t agree that electing Hamas put them in a position where they were able to cancel future elections and hold onto power?
You don’t agree that their atrocities of two years ago precipitated the terrible attack on Gaza - gave right-wing Israelis an excuse for it, if you like.
You don’t agree that the war in Gaza has been disastrous for Palestinian civilians, especially the women and children not allowed to shelter in the tunnels like members (male, of course) of Hamas?

How odd.

sabababa · 07/10/2025 19:14

Skodacool · 07/10/2025 16:09

Do people on here realise that Netanyahu has supported Hamas. You need to look at the history from the Balfour Declaration and what’s been happening since 1948 to even begin to understand this conflict. Look up Naqba.

Thanks for that tiktok talking point. It doesn't sound you like you have much understanding of this conflict if you only want people to look up Nakba.

The claim that “Netanyahu supported Hamas” is ridiculous. Of course he didn't. Yes, he found it convenient that Palestinians were divded with a clearly unstate worthy actor but that's very different to supporting them. I can't stand Netanyahu but there seems to be a need on the "pro Palestinian" side to cast him as some cartoonishly evil character. I guess nuance isn't your strong point.

BTW history here didn’t start with Balfour either in 1917. The Jewish people’s connection to the Land of Israel stretches back millennia,. After the Roman wars (70 CE and 135 CE) most Jews were forcibly displaced and ethnically cleansed—but Jewish communities never left the land, especially in the Four Holy Cities: Jerusalem, Hebron, Tzfat, and Tiberias. This tragedy and yearning to return is part of everyday Jewish life and even more so during even the happiest moments in a wedding a glass is broken to remember the destruction of Jerusalem. Every year on Tisha b'Av, Jews fast to remember this too. That's living history.

And speaking of Hebron, why not read about the 1929 Hebron massacre and ethnic cleansing of Jews and destruction of the ancient jewish community? That would be a good read.

Yes, read about the Nakba. But before that how about reading about the UN partition plan which was accepted by the Zionist Palestinians and rejected by the Arab Palestinians. And also you could read about how everywhere the Arabs held was 100% ethnically cleansed of Jews like the Old City of Jerusalem and Gush Etziyon (where they were also massacred).

You could also ask why the Zionist Palestinians declared a state on the day the Brits left in May 1948 but the Arab Palestinains didn't. And why no Palestinian state was subsequently estabished in the WB and Gaza under Arab control.

And also read about the Three Nos of Khartoum after the 1967 war: No peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with Israel. Why? Were they still trying to throw the Israelis into the sea as they threatened?

You could also read about how Hamas, at the behest of Iran, was blowing up buses to (successfully) derail the peace process in the 90s.

Put together, this isn’t a story that starts in 1948 or 1917 and certainly not one that ends with easy slogans (from the river to the sea blah blah). It’s a century-plus of rejected coexistence, and hard lessons—one reason many Israelis insist on security first.