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To be utterly disgusted by the woman cutting down yellow ribbons commemorating the October 7th victims in Muswell Hill yesterday morning

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AngeloMysterioso · 07/10/2025 09:43

When Jewish people are being attacked and murdered on their way to synagogue on Yom Kippur

When you literally can’t move or look in any direction without Palestine Palestine Palestine in our faces

On the eve of the anniversary of the worst atrocity committed against Jewish people since the Holocaust, a small, unobtrusive memorial for the victims of that unthinkable, barbaric attack was destroyed yesterday by a despicable woman who turned up with scissors and cut the ribbons down, one by one.

Ribbons for women and girls who were raped and murdered.
Ribbons for babies ripped from their parents’ arms and slaughtered.
Ribbons for men beaten to death.
Ribbons for the hostages still suffering every moment.

And this disgusting individual took it upon herself to come along with a pair of scissors and cut each one away. Her excuse? They “condone genocide”.

Let’s not pretend for a moment that that was her true motivation. It was a revolting demonstration of the antisemitism that has become so shamefully rife in this country that it sickens me.

This woman needs to be named and shamed for the loathsome person she is.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/07/woman-filmed-cutting-ribbons-commemorating-israeli-hostages/

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/met-police-woman-ribbons-israel-hostages-london-manchester-synagogue-b1251594.html

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/woman-filmed-cutting-down-ribbons-commemorating-israeli-hostages-in-north-london-5HjdF2y2/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15167737/amp/woman-cuts-yellow-ribbons-israeli-hostages-london.html

https://inews.co.uk/news/anger-woman-filmed-cutting-down-ribbons-london-memorial-israeli-hostages-3961369

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nomas · 07/10/2025 17:21

Nestingbirds · 07/10/2025 17:21

I am certainly not gleeful about anyone being killed in this utterly pointless, futile war. Hamas should return the hostages and agree to a peace deal.

So why the pompousness about what Israel could do?

Nestingbirds · 07/10/2025 17:22

sunflower1022 · 07/10/2025 17:21

Sadly I don’t think that’s going to be the case.

Maybe in some beardy circle she will be welcome but everywhere else I think a lot of horror at what she has done, even amongst those that support Hamas.

Linzloopy · 07/10/2025 17:23

Applecrumble0110 · 07/10/2025 16:47

I have seen multiple videos of members of the Israeli government and army say things like they can't wait to destroy all of gaza and all Palestinians so they can build theme parks and shopping centres on the land. Im actually baffled that people like yourself can say such things without actually looking at the facts

Did you notice the fact that I was responding to, and referring to, a comment saying But what about the massacre and genocide of Palestinians by the Israeli government before Hamas were elected into power? (ie before 2006)?

Nestingbirds · 07/10/2025 17:23

nomas · 07/10/2025 17:21

So why the pompousness about what Israel could do?

Because Israel do have the means, and have not even considered using them. The same could not be said for Hamas on the other hand.

Thegreyhound · 07/10/2025 17:27

Linzloopy · 07/10/2025 16:32

If you feared for your life living in a dictatorship ran by a terrorist organisation, would you be protesting the 07/10 attacks in the street or would you play by the rules to ensure the safety of you and your children?

There's no doubt that would be a terrible situation. But if I was a Gazan who was old enough to vote in 2006, I would not have voted into power a party which included in its founding Charter the wish to kill all Jews. If I had, I would only have myself to blame if their success in winning power brought disaster on my country and family.

(And before you ask, I have similar thoughts about the extreme right-wingers in Israel.)

Edited

I don’t know what the voting age in Gaza is but 2006 was 19 years ago so if it’s 18 the youngest voters for Hamas are now 37. The overwhelming majority of deaths are of those under that age. So the number of dead Gazans who voted for Hamas is really quite small.

confusedlady10 · 07/10/2025 17:28

Linzloopy · 07/10/2025 17:01

What?? You said But what about the massacre and genocide of Palestinians by the Israeli government before Hamas were elected into power and that is what I was replying to.

Yes and you replied to say they can't be seen as genocide or a massacre. Thousands of Palestinians have died the same way as after Oct 7 who were graped and killed and displaced by the thousands so my point still stands.

TakeMe2Insanity · 07/10/2025 17:30

kirinm · 07/10/2025 16:28

Apparently the woman is Jewish. Is it still anti semetic?

www.lbc.co.uk/article/yellow-ribbons-israel-hostages-london-5HjdF4t_2/

tramtracks · 07/10/2025 17:32

AngeloMysterioso · 07/10/2025 09:58

Everyone should be saying Fuck Hamas. Including those who are pro-Palestine. Including the people in Palestine who are suffering as a direct result of the attack.

But no. The people of Palestine that you feel so sorry for cheered in the street when they saw footage of the attacks. They crowded around the truck carrying Shani Louk’s beautiful, broken body and spat on her corpse.

But yellow ribbons and “Fuck Hamas” stickers make you uncomfortable. Ok.

Absolutely. Hamas are an evil, barbaric and destructive terrorisist organisation who have done far far more harm to the people in Gaza than anyone.

confusedlady10 · 07/10/2025 17:36

tramtracks · 07/10/2025 17:32

Absolutely. Hamas are an evil, barbaric and destructive terrorisist organisation who have done far far more harm to the people in Gaza than anyone.

What about before they came into power when the Israeli government were displacing and killing innocent Palestinians by the thousands?

nomas · 07/10/2025 17:41

Nestingbirds · 07/10/2025 17:18

The lives of everyone are of equal value.

At least we agree on something!

PrincessC0nsuelaBananaHammock · 07/10/2025 17:43

JustJani · 07/10/2025 09:47

I live in an area with a huge number of yellow ribbons and posters commemorating the victims and to be honest, it's uncomfortable. It's become more than a memorial, it's now a pro-Israel political statement. As demonstrated by the fact the ribbons are often accompanied by "Fuck Hamas" stickers and the like.

I do have some sympathy for Israel's position - more than the general public, probably - but I certainly don't support the current decimation of Palestine and I don't like the way the whole locality now seems to have been branded pro-Israeli, it doesn't represent me for sure.

Edited

So you're a fan of Hamas? Would you be offended if there were signs saying fuck the taliban?

Thegreyhound · 07/10/2025 17:45

SpaceRaccoon · 07/10/2025 16:39

Does that mean I think the lives lost were in any way more important and precious than the 50 000+ Palestinian lives lost since? No

The fact is that all the lives lost - Israeli and Gazan - can be blamed on what Hamas did two years ago.

In the West Bank?

Kendodd · 07/10/2025 17:49

JustJani · 07/10/2025 09:47

I live in an area with a huge number of yellow ribbons and posters commemorating the victims and to be honest, it's uncomfortable. It's become more than a memorial, it's now a pro-Israel political statement. As demonstrated by the fact the ribbons are often accompanied by "Fuck Hamas" stickers and the like.

I do have some sympathy for Israel's position - more than the general public, probably - but I certainly don't support the current decimation of Palestine and I don't like the way the whole locality now seems to have been branded pro-Israeli, it doesn't represent me for sure.

Edited

What's wrong with Fuck Hamas stickers? Apart from the use of the word 'fuck'?

hihelenhi · 07/10/2025 17:51

She's married to another Hamas supporter, and yes. Her actions are anti-semitic. Yours is a "some of my best friends are black so I can't be racist" argument.

What this stupid, posh idiot did was despicable, and yes, actively choosing to cut down ribbons that are there to remember specific people who were murdered, raped, brutalised and kidnapped is an active expression of hatred and disdain towards them, their families and those who are mourning them. Do you think those people 'deserved' what happened to them? Try and answer without saying "no, but..." Because that means yes and we all know it does.

How would you respond if Jewish activists in the UK performatively went around cutting down ribbons that were placed by Palestinian and Muslim families to commemorate particular loved ones who had died? Would you call that "freedom fighting" and "resistance" too? Would you go and desecrate the memorials to those who died in 9/11, regardless of your views of the rights and wrongs of the war that followed and feel both good about it and that you were making some stand against oppression?

The reason people are saying the actions of this stupid woman are anti-semitic is because she would almost certainly not be doing it with a smug smile on her face and people would not be whatabouting on this if the victims were anyone other than Jews.

nomas · 07/10/2025 18:00

PrincessC0nsuelaBananaHammock · 07/10/2025 17:43

So you're a fan of Hamas? Would you be offended if there were signs saying fuck the taliban?

Are you a fan of the IDF? Would you be offended if there were signs saying Fuck the IDF?

Kendodd · 07/10/2025 18:04

hihelenhi · 07/10/2025 17:51

She's married to another Hamas supporter, and yes. Her actions are anti-semitic. Yours is a "some of my best friends are black so I can't be racist" argument.

What this stupid, posh idiot did was despicable, and yes, actively choosing to cut down ribbons that are there to remember specific people who were murdered, raped, brutalised and kidnapped is an active expression of hatred and disdain towards them, their families and those who are mourning them. Do you think those people 'deserved' what happened to them? Try and answer without saying "no, but..." Because that means yes and we all know it does.

How would you respond if Jewish activists in the UK performatively went around cutting down ribbons that were placed by Palestinian and Muslim families to commemorate particular loved ones who had died? Would you call that "freedom fighting" and "resistance" too? Would you go and desecrate the memorials to those who died in 9/11, regardless of your views of the rights and wrongs of the war that followed and feel both good about it and that you were making some stand against oppression?

The reason people are saying the actions of this stupid woman are anti-semitic is because she would almost certainly not be doing it with a smug smile on her face and people would not be whatabouting on this if the victims were anyone other than Jews.

Agree, but can we remember that not all Hamas victims were Jews or Israeli, don't let those people be forgotten. I know the targets were Jews and non Jews were probably just seen as collateral damage by Hamas.

nomas · 07/10/2025 18:05

hihelenhi · 07/10/2025 17:51

She's married to another Hamas supporter, and yes. Her actions are anti-semitic. Yours is a "some of my best friends are black so I can't be racist" argument.

What this stupid, posh idiot did was despicable, and yes, actively choosing to cut down ribbons that are there to remember specific people who were murdered, raped, brutalised and kidnapped is an active expression of hatred and disdain towards them, their families and those who are mourning them. Do you think those people 'deserved' what happened to them? Try and answer without saying "no, but..." Because that means yes and we all know it does.

How would you respond if Jewish activists in the UK performatively went around cutting down ribbons that were placed by Palestinian and Muslim families to commemorate particular loved ones who had died? Would you call that "freedom fighting" and "resistance" too? Would you go and desecrate the memorials to those who died in 9/11, regardless of your views of the rights and wrongs of the war that followed and feel both good about it and that you were making some stand against oppression?

The reason people are saying the actions of this stupid woman are anti-semitic is because she would almost certainly not be doing it with a smug smile on her face and people would not be whatabouting on this if the victims were anyone other than Jews.

She's a Jewish Palestinian, married to a Palestinian, that doesn't make him or her Hamas.

I don't agree with cutting ribbons but I can't see where she looks smug.

ThatCyanCat · 07/10/2025 18:09

Kendodd · 07/10/2025 18:04

Agree, but can we remember that not all Hamas victims were Jews or Israeli, don't let those people be forgotten. I know the targets were Jews and non Jews were probably just seen as collateral damage by Hamas.

No, some of them were murdered in captivity and would have had plenty of time to explain that they weren't Jewish or Israeli.

Hamas doesn't give a shit about the lives of its own people, why would it care about anyone else? It shot family dogs on October 7. Anyone who still doesn't realise what a nihilistic death cult it is is a useful idiot at best. Nobody who actually cares about the wellbeing of Gazans should want it in power.

MyFortieth · 07/10/2025 18:11

AngeloMysterioso · 07/10/2025 10:22

I’m not in a position to dictate anything, it’s simply my opinion. I don’t see how anyone can look at this awful situation and not think “Fuck Hamas”. Unless of course, they were just looking for an excuse to hate Jewish people.

The ones cutting down ribbons are doing the dictating, taking it upon themselves to decide that the victims of the attack are not allowed to be remembered.

I don’t see how anyone can look at this awful situation and not think “Fuck Hamas”. Unless of course, they were just looking for an excuse to hate Jewish people.

I will make one attempt to explain it to you- In Israel HAMAS and Palestinian are indistinguishable it comes to being a target for bombing. So when you write “Fuck HAMAS” what other people read into that is “Fuck Hamas, Fuck Palestinians.” By Fuck HAMAS, you mean kill them, you want them to be dead. And because HAMAS /Palestinians are one and the same that means that (other than the bad publicity) I feel you want me to join in your calls for genocide.

I think you are so far down the rabbit hole, that you cannot even seen how supportive of genocide you are.

I am not going to support you in calls for “Fucking” (i.e. killing) anyone. Not HAMAS not Netanyahu, not anyone.

If it is hateful and antisemitism to say Palestinians should be supported to live freely and peacefully (as much as Israeli’s should be) then whatever. But just so you know- that’s why I can look at the awful situation, Not say fuck Hamas, and have a clear conscience.

Linzloopy · 07/10/2025 18:12

Thegreyhound · 07/10/2025 17:27

I don’t know what the voting age in Gaza is but 2006 was 19 years ago so if it’s 18 the youngest voters for Hamas are now 37. The overwhelming majority of deaths are of those under that age. So the number of dead Gazans who voted for Hamas is really quite small.

What a dreadful shame they opened the door to all that misery for their descendants.

Nestingbirds · 07/10/2025 18:15

MyFortieth · 07/10/2025 18:11

I don’t see how anyone can look at this awful situation and not think “Fuck Hamas”. Unless of course, they were just looking for an excuse to hate Jewish people.

I will make one attempt to explain it to you- In Israel HAMAS and Palestinian are indistinguishable it comes to being a target for bombing. So when you write “Fuck HAMAS” what other people read into that is “Fuck Hamas, Fuck Palestinians.” By Fuck HAMAS, you mean kill them, you want them to be dead. And because HAMAS /Palestinians are one and the same that means that (other than the bad publicity) I feel you want me to join in your calls for genocide.

I think you are so far down the rabbit hole, that you cannot even seen how supportive of genocide you are.

I am not going to support you in calls for “Fucking” (i.e. killing) anyone. Not HAMAS not Netanyahu, not anyone.

If it is hateful and antisemitism to say Palestinians should be supported to live freely and peacefully (as much as Israeli’s should be) then whatever. But just so you know- that’s why I can look at the awful situation, Not say fuck Hamas, and have a clear conscience.

Well you have contorted that and done. F* Hamas simply means go to hell. Do you see everything as genocidal? It doesn’t mean children ir babies assuming they are not holed up in Qayar organising murder. It means exactly what it says.

EasternStandard · 07/10/2025 18:15

It’s so sad. Looking at the memorial and seeing pics of some at the Nova festival, it’s unbearable. I’m glad people in Muswell Hill put new ribbons up again.

LadyGreyjoy · 07/10/2025 18:15

BunfightBetty · 07/10/2025 14:39

The problem, as I’ve seen on this thread over and over, is that other posters are conflating the removal of the ribbons with a protest against genocide.

Removal of the ribbons is NOT an anti genocide protest. The ribbons have not been put there to support genocide. The ribbons are there to commemorate the victims of the 7/10 attacks.

The only way removing the ribbons could be seen as an anti-genocide gesture is if you are conflating the victims and the commemorators, as Jews, with the actions of the Israeli government. As I’m sure you are aware, blaming Jewish people in general for the actions of the Israeli government is anti-Semitic.

No, putting ribbons up for a memorial is not the same as condoning genocide, obviously.

But every time it is raised in this thread that israel are committing genocide and protesting that is not antisimetic the OP is coming out with bullshit like this

"Let’s not pretend that if Israel truly wanted to completely destroy Palestine and kill every living person there, it would have happened by now. They could have done it within a week.
Genocide is what Hamas would do to Israel if they had the means. Their stated aim is to wipe Israel and all Jewish people from the face of the earth."

Lifecanbebeautiful12 · 07/10/2025 18:20

wrongthinker · 07/10/2025 16:50

Not true. It's very much been a propaganda campaign by Hamas to get the antisemitic idea of Jews committing genocide into the public consciousness. But it doesn't stand up to any scrutiny, as this article clearly demonstrates.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/09/21/the-gaza-genocide-a-21st-century-blood-libel/

What a shameful thing to post. 60,000 plus Palestinians slaughtered with the UN and ICC declaring war crimes and genocide and you claim this is ‘Hamas propaganda’. Are you insinuating that Hamas have more means and influence to exert such successful propaganda over the entire world than Israel? A country that’s government and wealthy citizens openly use their wealth and power to buy and influence media outlets and government officials? Are you claiming that the horrors we have heard of out of Gaza, which have been independently verified, are made up by Hamas? Truly disgusting and absolutely not helping your cause at all.

Nestingbirds · 07/10/2025 18:26

Lifecanbebeautiful12 · 07/10/2025 18:20

What a shameful thing to post. 60,000 plus Palestinians slaughtered with the UN and ICC declaring war crimes and genocide and you claim this is ‘Hamas propaganda’. Are you insinuating that Hamas have more means and influence to exert such successful propaganda over the entire world than Israel? A country that’s government and wealthy citizens openly use their wealth and power to buy and influence media outlets and government officials? Are you claiming that the horrors we have heard of out of Gaza, which have been independently verified, are made up by Hamas? Truly disgusting and absolutely not helping your cause at all.

Actually Iran backs Hamas and have been funnelling both funds and weapons to them for decades.

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