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To be utterly disgusted by the woman cutting down yellow ribbons commemorating the October 7th victims in Muswell Hill yesterday morning

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AngeloMysterioso · 07/10/2025 09:43

When Jewish people are being attacked and murdered on their way to synagogue on Yom Kippur

When you literally can’t move or look in any direction without Palestine Palestine Palestine in our faces

On the eve of the anniversary of the worst atrocity committed against Jewish people since the Holocaust, a small, unobtrusive memorial for the victims of that unthinkable, barbaric attack was destroyed yesterday by a despicable woman who turned up with scissors and cut the ribbons down, one by one.

Ribbons for women and girls who were raped and murdered.
Ribbons for babies ripped from their parents’ arms and slaughtered.
Ribbons for men beaten to death.
Ribbons for the hostages still suffering every moment.

And this disgusting individual took it upon herself to come along with a pair of scissors and cut each one away. Her excuse? They “condone genocide”.

Let’s not pretend for a moment that that was her true motivation. It was a revolting demonstration of the antisemitism that has become so shamefully rife in this country that it sickens me.

This woman needs to be named and shamed for the loathsome person she is.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/07/woman-filmed-cutting-ribbons-commemorating-israeli-hostages/

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/met-police-woman-ribbons-israel-hostages-london-manchester-synagogue-b1251594.html

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/woman-filmed-cutting-down-ribbons-commemorating-israeli-hostages-in-north-london-5HjdF2y2/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15167737/amp/woman-cuts-yellow-ribbons-israeli-hostages-london.html

https://inews.co.uk/news/anger-woman-filmed-cutting-down-ribbons-london-memorial-israeli-hostages-3961369

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nomas · 07/10/2025 14:07

ParmaVioletTea · 07/10/2025 14:00

Totally agree @AngeloMysterioso I watched a few seconds of the footage of her doing it, and her smug look as people whose relatives have died in the October 7 massacre/pogrom or are still hostages protested with her.

I had to stop watching as it was too upsetting.

I'm not Jewish, but the Jew hatred in this country at the moment is really really distressing.

I disagree with her actions, but she didn't look smug. She didn't engage with the people shouting at her.

1dayatatime · 07/10/2025 14:11

kirinm · 07/10/2025 14:03

But you don’t apportion any blame to Israel?

The question is why aren't the protesters openly supporting the peace deal.

Not the actions of Hamas, Gazans, Israel, the US, Egypt, Jordan etc.

wrongthinker · 07/10/2025 14:16

You only have to look at how the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank was only supposed to be temporary under the 1999 agreement, as a stepping stone to an independent state, but the refusal of the Israeli government to end military rule and continue settlement expansion has prevented that from every happening.

I just want to point out that this is not the case. In 2005, Israel withdrew from Gaza and handed it over to the Palestinian Authority. A year later, Hamas was elected on their 'Kill all Jews' ticket. Israel continued to supply aid, water, electricity and so on. They didn't even seem to have an Intelligence presence there (which is why they were taken by surprise by the October 7th pogrom) - I listened to an interview with a former head of Mossad who said they had been sleeping on Gaza, really.

Didshejustsaythatoutloud · 07/10/2025 14:18

JustJani · 07/10/2025 09:47

I live in an area with a huge number of yellow ribbons and posters commemorating the victims and to be honest, it's uncomfortable. It's become more than a memorial, it's now a pro-Israel political statement. As demonstrated by the fact the ribbons are often accompanied by "Fuck Hamas" stickers and the like.

I do have some sympathy for Israel's position - more than the general public, probably - but I certainly don't support the current decimation of Palestine and I don't like the way the whole locality now seems to have been branded pro-Israeli, it doesn't represent me for sure.

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What's wrong with the "fuck Hamas"?

Ablondiebutagoody · 07/10/2025 14:20

CurlewKate · 07/10/2025 13:57

Just to be clear-are you saying that anybody who is opposed to the Israeli Government’s actions in Gaza is by definition anti semitic?

No because the Isreali government does not represent all Jews. I am saying that people who conflate the two are. I am saying that those who justify the desecration of a Jewish memorial based upon the actions of the Israeli government are anti-semetic, absolutely they are. So are those who danced in the streets of Birmingham and other places on 7/10. Its blindingly obvious to everyone.

Newsflash. Most people are opposed to genocide. Doesn't mean that they put their fingers in their ears and march with a bunch of anti-semites though.

SuratNuJaman · 07/10/2025 14:23

Do Jewish people = Must support Israel? This is for Jews to answer.

In India Hindu people <> Support Uttar Pradesh. This is for Hindus to answer or agree/disagree.

Sugargliderwombat · 07/10/2025 14:29

Your posts drip with hatred too, I think that you would also want to cut down ribbons for dead Palestinians. It is all awful, all of it. That memorial shouldn't be cut down, but it also shouldn't represent pro - Israel, which I imagine it does?

JHound · 07/10/2025 14:31

I don’t even understand that mindset. Even if you have issue with Israel’s current actions in Gaza - what does that have to do with the hostages.

freakingscared · 07/10/2025 14:31

I’m going to say this the politest way possible so I don’t get banned !
I am not Jewish , I’m not right voter, I’m not a trump supporter .
I absolutely despise anyone marching for Palestine today , having coffee and cakes mornings for Palestine today and obviously this creature cutting the bows ! Anyone doing any of those today when so many people got killed during a terrorist attack when so many children lost their life’s , saw their parents loose their life’s deserves no consideration at all !

BunfightBetty · 07/10/2025 14:39

LadyGreyjoy · 07/10/2025 13:25

She is policing everyone else's opinions and chucking out "let's not pretend"s 🙄 around whenever people point out that opposing genocide is not anti-Semitic.

The problem, as I’ve seen on this thread over and over, is that other posters are conflating the removal of the ribbons with a protest against genocide.

Removal of the ribbons is NOT an anti genocide protest. The ribbons have not been put there to support genocide. The ribbons are there to commemorate the victims of the 7/10 attacks.

The only way removing the ribbons could be seen as an anti-genocide gesture is if you are conflating the victims and the commemorators, as Jews, with the actions of the Israeli government. As I’m sure you are aware, blaming Jewish people in general for the actions of the Israeli government is anti-Semitic.

BunfightBetty · 07/10/2025 14:40

JHound · 07/10/2025 14:31

I don’t even understand that mindset. Even if you have issue with Israel’s current actions in Gaza - what does that have to do with the hostages.

Exactly.

freakingscared · 07/10/2025 14:41

Nestingbirds · 07/10/2025 12:34

They aren’t separate that’s why. You are supporting a known terrorist organisation.

If you genuinely care about the people of Palestine as I do, give to charity. Sponsor the rebuilding. Get behind the peace plan so more lives will be saved. Don’t stand and scream racist slogans. Simple really.

They are not separate ! Hamas and their jihadist way of live is so engrained in Gaza that many did follow him , many will subject their children to that way of life . And u less Hamas is eradicated children and Gaza have no chance of normality , of living a normal life away from radicalism , from extremism . That’s why nobody on their right mind can ever support Hamas .
Where is the condemnation of Hamas on the pro Palestine marches , where is the condemnation of radical Islam in those marches , where is the condemnation for what Hamas represents , even putting Israel aside , where is the condemnation for Hamas lack women’s rights , LGBT community rights , children rights , animal rights ?
Why is everyone so good at pointing at Israel but not at the terrorists Hamas ?

CurlewKate · 07/10/2025 14:43

Ablondiebutagoody · 07/10/2025 14:20

No because the Isreali government does not represent all Jews. I am saying that people who conflate the two are. I am saying that those who justify the desecration of a Jewish memorial based upon the actions of the Israeli government are anti-semetic, absolutely they are. So are those who danced in the streets of Birmingham and other places on 7/10. Its blindingly obvious to everyone.

Newsflash. Most people are opposed to genocide. Doesn't mean that they put their fingers in their ears and march with a bunch of anti-semites though.

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So joining in demonstrations against the genocide is anti semitic. Right.

sabababa · 07/10/2025 14:48

JustJani · 07/10/2025 09:52

No, I don't support Hamas. It's the explicit politicisation of a very mixed area with lots of different communities living close together that I object to.

Actually in Israel the hostage families are the ones most vocal about calling for an end to the war. they've even been called traitors by some of the Ben Gvir and Smotritch goons. The mother of Matan Zangauker was even barred from entering the Knesset as she was so vocal against the government position.
So, no, calling for the hostages to be returned is not necessarily "pro-Israel" as in pro the current israeli government, it's just humane.

TheWordWomanIsTaken · 07/10/2025 14:48

ThatLadyLady · 07/10/2025 12:52

I won’t engage because you have said the innocent Palestinians are Hamas, and you’ve made up some long argument of what I’ve apparently said when I havent.

FWIW I want to see Hamas removed, Gaza rebuilt and Israeli withdrawal from both Gaza and the West Bank. I’d also like to see Israel curtailed in their attacks on other nations in the surrounding region.

And the rockets?
Presumably you want to see an end to them as well?

freakingscared · 07/10/2025 14:50

CurlewKate · 07/10/2025 14:43

So joining in demonstrations against the genocide is anti semitic. Right.

When people spout from the river to the see meaning they what to eradicate Israel and use Hamas flags yes it is ! And I’m yet to see a demonstration that doesn’t have both .

nomas · 07/10/2025 14:51

freakingscared · 07/10/2025 14:50

When people spout from the river to the see meaning they what to eradicate Israel and use Hamas flags yes it is ! And I’m yet to see a demonstration that doesn’t have both .

Netanyahu also spouts from the river to the sea though?

sabababa · 07/10/2025 14:51

Didshejustsaythatoutloud · 07/10/2025 14:18

What's wrong with the "fuck Hamas"?

Hamas has killed a whole lot of Palestinians too, let's not forget. It's not for killing Israelis that Sinwar was known as the "Butcher of Khan Younis"
And also let's not forget the good old days back in the 90s when Hamas was blowing up buses to derail the peace process (at Iran's behest even back then).
So, yeah, fuck Hamas even if you don't care about Israeli lives.

LuLuLemonDrizzleCake · 07/10/2025 14:53

Namechangerage · 07/10/2025 14:00

“The Israeli govt is commiting genocide, but of course that doesn't mean all Jewish people are to blame.”

Yes and just like every Palestinian isn’t to blame, and doesn’t deserve to die - for the actions of Hamas.

Absolutely

WeeGeeBored · 07/10/2025 14:53

Ihatetomatoes · 07/10/2025 09:57

This.

No one would deface or remove a memorial to the terrorist attacks on 9/11 or 7/7 or Manchester do why remove ribbons for October 7th? Because its Jewish victims thats why. Jewish hate is strong in some in the UK.

For me it is not Jewish hate as such, but I will not support any action that prioritises the plight of the Jewish victims of October 7th over the decimation of Gaza. I just can’t/won’t do it.

To me, those ribbons do just that. They suggest that 1 Jewish life is worth more than thousands of Palestinian lives. Sorry.

Ablondiebutagoody · 07/10/2025 14:53

CurlewKate · 07/10/2025 14:43

So joining in demonstrations against the genocide is anti semitic. Right.

If that's who you are marching with, of course it is. Either an anti-semite or a moron.

sabababa · 07/10/2025 14:55

Why are there no march FOR accepting the peace plan? I'd totally join that! Not anti israel, not anti Palestinne but pro peace!
I mean, wouldn't that be the best way to end the "genocide"?
I guess the slogans wouldn't be quite as catchy, no from the river to the sea or there is only one solution...intifada, revolution.

Honestly, I'm not saying that there haven't been war crimes in Gaza but I've never heard of a genocide when those apparently being genocided don't accept an offer for said genocide to end.

freakingscared · 07/10/2025 14:55

nomas · 07/10/2025 14:51

Netanyahu also spouts from the river to the sea though?

Not with the same intend he said it as co existing , Palestinians use it as to end Israel existence .

Nestingbirds · 07/10/2025 14:56

sabababa · 07/10/2025 14:55

Why are there no march FOR accepting the peace plan? I'd totally join that! Not anti israel, not anti Palestinne but pro peace!
I mean, wouldn't that be the best way to end the "genocide"?
I guess the slogans wouldn't be quite as catchy, no from the river to the sea or there is only one solution...intifada, revolution.

Honestly, I'm not saying that there haven't been war crimes in Gaza but I've never heard of a genocide when those apparently being genocided don't accept an offer for said genocide to end.

I would love to join a peace march too!!

sabababa · 07/10/2025 14:57

WeeGeeBored · 07/10/2025 14:53

For me it is not Jewish hate as such, but I will not support any action that prioritises the plight of the Jewish victims of October 7th over the decimation of Gaza. I just can’t/won’t do it.

To me, those ribbons do just that. They suggest that 1 Jewish life is worth more than thousands of Palestinian lives. Sorry.

They really don't.
BTW, it wasn't just Jews massacred and kidnapped by Hamas. They killed Thais, Nepalis, and Muslim and other non Jewish Israelis (yes, they do exist)