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To be utterly disgusted by the woman cutting down yellow ribbons commemorating the October 7th victims in Muswell Hill yesterday morning

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AngeloMysterioso · 07/10/2025 09:43

When Jewish people are being attacked and murdered on their way to synagogue on Yom Kippur

When you literally can’t move or look in any direction without Palestine Palestine Palestine in our faces

On the eve of the anniversary of the worst atrocity committed against Jewish people since the Holocaust, a small, unobtrusive memorial for the victims of that unthinkable, barbaric attack was destroyed yesterday by a despicable woman who turned up with scissors and cut the ribbons down, one by one.

Ribbons for women and girls who were raped and murdered.
Ribbons for babies ripped from their parents’ arms and slaughtered.
Ribbons for men beaten to death.
Ribbons for the hostages still suffering every moment.

And this disgusting individual took it upon herself to come along with a pair of scissors and cut each one away. Her excuse? They “condone genocide”.

Let’s not pretend for a moment that that was her true motivation. It was a revolting demonstration of the antisemitism that has become so shamefully rife in this country that it sickens me.

This woman needs to be named and shamed for the loathsome person she is.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/07/woman-filmed-cutting-ribbons-commemorating-israeli-hostages/

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/met-police-woman-ribbons-israel-hostages-london-manchester-synagogue-b1251594.html

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/woman-filmed-cutting-down-ribbons-commemorating-israeli-hostages-in-north-london-5HjdF2y2/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15167737/amp/woman-cuts-yellow-ribbons-israeli-hostages-london.html

https://inews.co.uk/news/anger-woman-filmed-cutting-down-ribbons-london-memorial-israeli-hostages-3961369

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BunfightBetty · 07/10/2025 13:25

Tessisme · 07/10/2025 13:21

There will always be those who are so consumed with hatred that they can’t muster up any compassion for ‘the other side’. People should be permitted to remember and respect the dead without all the whataboutery. The fact that more Palestinians have died doesn’t make the deaths of these innocent people any less tragic.

Absolutely.

So many on this thread, and in the population at large, who are so eaten up with bigotry, racism and so intoxicated by their own sense of self-righteousness that they have totally lost their humanity (if they ever had it). Who have no compassion for victims if they happen to be 'on the other side' to their pet side.

It's absolutely sickening.

LadyGreyjoy · 07/10/2025 13:25

BunfightBetty · 07/10/2025 13:20

What relation does that bear to the topic of the thread?

The thread is about the actions of this woman who took it upon herself to unilaterally remove memorials to murder and torture victims.

Why do you feel the need to go off-topic and police the opinions of the OP?

She is policing everyone else's opinions and chucking out "let's not pretend"s 🙄 around whenever people point out that opposing genocide is not anti-Semitic.

BunfightBetty · 07/10/2025 13:29

Bottleplant · 07/10/2025 13:08

I haven't been to any of the protests, so only know what I see on TV, but all those old ladies being carried off after sitting quietly, are ranting racists?

Are old people incapable of being racist then?

You have a different experience of life to me, then, clearly.

LadyGreyjoy · 07/10/2025 13:30

Nestingbirds · 07/10/2025 13:13

I fail to see why after the mass murder of thousands of their people why they would want to continue to pay for food for those that kill them? I can kind of see their point.
Given Hamas hasn’t fed its own nation for decades I rather feel they should be taking some responsibility.

Fortunately, this is old news aid has been flowing for weeks now.

Edited

Wtf are you on about? Israel aren't refusing to pay for Gaza's food, they're preventing other people from giving it to them by blocking aid from the country! Which is a war crime!

BunfightBetty · 07/10/2025 13:33

LadyGreyjoy · 07/10/2025 13:25

She is policing everyone else's opinions and chucking out "let's not pretend"s 🙄 around whenever people point out that opposing genocide is not anti-Semitic.

Who, the OP?

The topic of the thread is about the despicable removal of a memorial to murder, torture and kidnap victims.

Taking down the ribbons is not an anti-genocide gesture unless you are so caught up in antisemitism that you genuinely think it is a-ok as a protest against Israel. The only way removing those ribbons can be seen as anti-genocide is if you conflate the victims being Jewish with the actions of the Israeli government. And if you conflate the Jewish people in this country who tie the ribbons with the actions of the government thousands of miles away in Israel, purely because they share the same religion/ethnicity. That is anti-semitic.

Opposing genocide is not, in and of itself, anti-semitic, but you can see on this thread and all others on this site and elsewhere that the two often (but not always) are conflated.

Icreatedausernameyippee · 07/10/2025 13:33

In 2023, in the months leading up to October 45 Palestinian children were killed by Israel.
Can we get some ribbons made?

Linzloopy · 07/10/2025 13:34

Linzloopy · 07/10/2025 13:20

How did you acquire your miraculous mind-reading ability, that allows you to know with certainty what other people are thinking?

I don’t support the Israeli actions in Gaza, though I’m not at all sure about the word "genocide". I have great sympathy for Palestinian civilians trapped in a terrible situation, especially the children and downtrodden women. But you seem to think that "the Palestinian people" have nothing to do with Hamas - yet although Hamas have clung into power without elections since 2006, in that year they were voted into power by "the Palestinian people". This was at a time when their founding Charter was calling for the murder of all Jews. And they defeated the secular party Hamas to be elected into a majority in the Palestinian Parliament, so I think we can safely conclude that a majority of voters then didn’t disagree with their policies.

Correction: I meant to say Hamas "defeated the secular party Fatah".

SinnerBoy · 07/10/2025 13:35

The Labour givernment, especially under Corbyn/Starmer, was/is very antisemitic, the weekly pro - Pali protests encourage anti semitism.

Corbyn was never in Government.

Starmer is married to a Jewish lady.

1dayatatime · 07/10/2025 13:37

What concerns me is that it takes a high level of hate and indoctrination to want to go out of your way to cut these yellow ribbons commemorating the October 7th victims whilst being be filmed and with the consequences of being named and shamed and possibly prosecuted.

Now at some point the current war in Gaza will end or descalate and this woman's hate and indoctrination will not simply vanish, if anything it will get worse.

So my concern is that it will only take a very small step for her to choose to escalate her actions into violent terrorist action in the UK or at the very least supporting or sympathising with those that do.

Oneborneverydecade · 07/10/2025 13:37

AngeloMysterioso · 07/10/2025 09:58

Everyone should be saying Fuck Hamas. Including those who are pro-Palestine. Including the people in Palestine who are suffering as a direct result of the attack.

But no. The people of Palestine that you feel so sorry for cheered in the street when they saw footage of the attacks. They crowded around the truck carrying Shani Louk’s beautiful, broken body and spat on her corpse.

But yellow ribbons and “Fuck Hamas” stickers make you uncomfortable. Ok.

Surely some Palestinian's cheered in the same way that some Israeli's are cheering what's happening in Gaza rn. Tarring everyone with the same brush is the problem.
Innocent people do not deserve to die for any cause.

SpaceRaccoon · 07/10/2025 13:38

Telling everybody what they should be saying is dictating.

Wrong, it's expressing an opinion. You're just deflecting from the actual topic.

dahliadream · 07/10/2025 13:40

Ablondiebutagoody · 07/10/2025 13:05

Yes, the obvious anti-semetic motives, highlighted by the dancing in the streets at the time of 7/10 and the desecration of memorials like these ribbons. They have nothing to do with Israeli government policy. But you know that. It's convenient cover for your real views though isn't it?

My real views are that I find the murder of innocent people abhorrent, regardless of race of religion. I am far from anti-Semitic and absolutely agree that Hamas are despicable. However I also believe that this response is disproportionate and I am broken hearted at the loss of life in Palestine.

Theroadt · 07/10/2025 13:42

AngeloMysterioso · 07/10/2025 09:50

What’s wrong with Fuck Hamas stickers? Would pro Hamas stickers make you less uncomfortable?

I think her point is that a memorial is one thing, a political statement dominating an area (on either side frankly - pro Israel or pro-Palestine) is uncomfortable.

BloominNora · 07/10/2025 13:44

Nestingbirds · 07/10/2025 13:06

It’s going to become blindingly obvious very soon that the ‘protesters/racists’ do not wish for peace at all.

They went Israel to disappear in the same way Hamas do. They want to see an end to all the Jewish ‘settlers’ as they see them. They won’t say it overtly, but they will continue the racist hatred and protests, and try to excuse their on going support for a death ideology as supporting the ‘babies’. The truth is about to come out about the real reason these people are chanting on the streets.

Most of the nation is waking to the reality that we have a deep rooted minority of truly anti semitic nut jobs that live amongst us, in plain sight, and are just about to be revealed for what they are really are.

I sincerely hope for peace. I support the aid and care to the civilians caught up in their hideous nightmare under Hamas. Can you imagine what a proper government could do? One that was motivated to actually support Palestine rather than use the people as cannon fodder.

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But the Israeli government and a significant number of Israeli citizens, especially settlers in the West Bank don't want peace either. How can there ever be a proper Palestinian government when the Israeli government won't allow it?

You only have to look at how the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank was only supposed to be temporary under the 1999 agreement, as a stepping stone to an independent state, but the refusal of the Israeli government to end military rule and continue settlement expansion has prevented that from every happening.

People who truly want peace recognise that Hamas and certain members of the current Israeli government are as bad as each other, but also recognise the power imbalance.

"River to the Sea" is not just a Hamas idea - it is something Netanyahu, Ben Gvir, Smotrich and others have all said in relation to the idea of Greater Israel. In the 1970's it was literally part of the Likud manifesto ("Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.")

Ben Gvir, Smotrich and Katz have all said that they want to forcibly relocate the population of Gaza and have announced yet another expansion of settlements in the West Bank which they have very openly said is designed to cut the territory in half and end any possibility of a Palestinian state.

Settler violence in the West Bank continues against Palestinians with attacks and destruction of homes, farms and schools. It has only every been nominally policed by the Israeli ministry and even less so lately. 100's of Palestinians have been killed and forcibly relocated there in the past 12 months alone.

I believe that the Gazan Palestinians are oppressed just as much by Hamas as they are Israel, and above all the children are innocent victims in all of this. The violence has to stop - but that won't happen while people take sides and believe that one side is more justified in their actions as another.

duvetday0006 · 07/10/2025 13:47

YANBU. Inhumane. I'm very sorry to anyone who feels threatened by this behaviour. Peace for all should be the only goal ❤️

OhMaria2 · 07/10/2025 13:50

Nestingbirds · 07/10/2025 13:13

I fail to see why after the mass murder of thousands of their people why they would want to continue to pay for food for those that kill them? I can kind of see their point.
Given Hamas hasn’t fed its own nation for decades I rather feel they should be taking some responsibility.

Fortunately, this is old news aid has been flowing for weeks now.

Edited

Oh that's ok then. They stopped deliberately starving children and let some aid in. Crazy talk.

Wordsmithery · 07/10/2025 13:54

Of course she shouldn't have taken down the ribbons. But equally, OP's comment When you literally can’t move or look in any direction without Palestine Palestine Palestine in our faces is extremely unhelpful.
People seem to be increasingly conflating being anti genocide with anti semitism. Can we not, as human beings, abhor the initial Hamas attack and at the same time abhor the utterly disproportionate response by Israel?

LuLuLemonDrizzleCake · 07/10/2025 13:55

It's in bad taste, particularly so close to the Manchester attacks and 7/7 anniversary.

The Isreali govt is commiting genocide, but of course that doesn't mean all Jewish people are to blame.

Same way all Muslims aren't responsible for 9/11 etc.

And you can be in favour of a free Palestine without being antisemitic

babyproblems · 07/10/2025 13:56

ExtraOnions · 07/10/2025 10:21

Both sides are now so entrenched there is little room left for reasonable debate and action. You can’t say anything without being accused of either supporting genocide, or being anti-Semitic.

I genuinely see no way that this starts to get resolved ..we seem to have lost the ability to accept that different people, have different views, and we don’t have to spend our days shouting at them in an attempt to change thier mind.

Every conversation is filled with Hypoerbole .. everything is “disgusting” “appalling” “disgraceful” “an attack” etc .. I kinda blame SM for some of it, it’s seems to whip up this sort of language.

Lots of people think that; The Hamas attack was wrong, the destruction of Gaza is wrong, making people in this country feel unsafe is wrong, curtailing free-speech is wrong, shouting in each others faces in wrong.

You can think all of these things, at the same time.

This x10000000.
Its all so hyped up and there is no rational debate anywhere to be found.

CurlewKate · 07/10/2025 13:57

Ablondiebutagoody · 07/10/2025 13:05

Yes, the obvious anti-semetic motives, highlighted by the dancing in the streets at the time of 7/10 and the desecration of memorials like these ribbons. They have nothing to do with Israeli government policy. But you know that. It's convenient cover for your real views though isn't it?

Just to be clear-are you saying that anybody who is opposed to the Israeli Government’s actions in Gaza is by definition anti semitic?

Namechangerage · 07/10/2025 13:59

AngeloMysterioso · 07/10/2025 09:58

Everyone should be saying Fuck Hamas. Including those who are pro-Palestine. Including the people in Palestine who are suffering as a direct result of the attack.

But no. The people of Palestine that you feel so sorry for cheered in the street when they saw footage of the attacks. They crowded around the truck carrying Shani Louk’s beautiful, broken body and spat on her corpse.

But yellow ribbons and “Fuck Hamas” stickers make you uncomfortable. Ok.

I’m sorry but how do you know that every single civilian in Palestine crowded around that truck? If you truly know that all the people you saw weren’t Hamas, just from watching a single video… Wow, can you buy me a lottery ticket?

ParmaVioletTea · 07/10/2025 14:00

Totally agree @AngeloMysterioso I watched a few seconds of the footage of her doing it, and her smug look as people whose relatives have died in the October 7 massacre/pogrom or are still hostages protested with her.

I had to stop watching as it was too upsetting.

I'm not Jewish, but the Jew hatred in this country at the moment is really really distressing.

Namechangerage · 07/10/2025 14:00

LuLuLemonDrizzleCake · 07/10/2025 13:55

It's in bad taste, particularly so close to the Manchester attacks and 7/7 anniversary.

The Isreali govt is commiting genocide, but of course that doesn't mean all Jewish people are to blame.

Same way all Muslims aren't responsible for 9/11 etc.

And you can be in favour of a free Palestine without being antisemitic

“The Israeli govt is commiting genocide, but of course that doesn't mean all Jewish people are to blame.”

Yes and just like every Palestinian isn’t to blame, and doesn’t deserve to die - for the actions of Hamas.

kirinm · 07/10/2025 14:03

Nestingbirds · 07/10/2025 12:27

I am anti war. I can’t bear to see the death and destruction which is why I am supporting the peace plan. To save lives on both sides.

I wonder why the protesters aren’t calling for this plan to be supported? Because they don’t want peace that’s why. They want Israel to be eradicated, they won’t settle for anything less, it’s a death cult.

But you don’t apportion any blame to Israel?

OhMaria2 · 07/10/2025 14:03

IHaveAlwaysLivedintheCastle · 07/10/2025 13:20

I was puzzled by comments made by Palestinians that following deliveries of aid prices for food in Palestine went up.

Who is selling food delivered as aid and why?

Limited availability of food drove prices up? No really? Criminals taking advantage of a man made famine? Wow no way!