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To think any "pro-Palestinian" marches today should be stopped?

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Beachtastic · 07/10/2025 09:38

Today is the second anniversary of the 7 October attacks.

Apparently "Students from London colleges are planning a joint march in the capital, while Manchester, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Bristol and Sheffield are among other cities said to be expecting protests."

In my view, the timing of these marches proves beyond doubt that they are antisemitic in nature, and there is no place for them on our streets.

Do you agree, and if so, what would you like to see happen?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1wgx5v90vyo

UK Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer

Keir Starmer asks students not to join protests on 7 October

The prime minister says it is "un-British" to hold pro-Palestinian protests on the second anniversary of Hamas's attacks on Israel.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1wgx5v90vyo

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Beachtastic · 07/10/2025 14:48

StarlightRobot · 07/10/2025 14:36

@Stompythedinosaur

You can watch some of the protests live on the Times website. I just switched it off because it was so offensive- chants and cheers for ‘the river to the sea’ which is a reference to the eradication of Israel. They are not protesting genocide but calling for Hamas’ cause, ie Israel’s obliteration

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Yes. Exactly.

When is all this gaslighting going to stop?

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noblegiraffe · 07/10/2025 15:42

I guess today a pertinent question for the free speech/right to protest advocates is “should people be allowed to celebrate the October 7th massacre”?

Pigeonpoodle · 07/10/2025 17:22

noblegiraffe · 07/10/2025 15:42

I guess today a pertinent question for the free speech/right to protest advocates is “should people be allowed to celebrate the October 7th massacre”?

Although I generally believe strongly in free speech and that no one has the right not to be offended, I’m open to the idea that overtly and explicitly celebrating someone’s death or harm should be proscribed in the way that incitement to violence is, though would need convincing that any such rule couldn’t be misused.

Pigeonpoodle · 07/10/2025 17:25

Beachtastic · 07/10/2025 14:47

On 7 October?

Yes, even on 7th October, so long as they aren’t inciting violence.

If they are inciting violence, the date is irrelevant.

Beachtastic · 07/10/2025 17:28

Pigeonpoodle · 07/10/2025 17:25

Yes, even on 7th October, so long as they aren’t inciting violence.

If they are inciting violence, the date is irrelevant.

It's hard to imagine what else they mean by "Globalise the Intifada" on any day, but it's particularly obvious today.

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Pigeonpoodle · 07/10/2025 17:45

Beachtastic · 07/10/2025 17:28

It's hard to imagine what else they mean by "Globalise the Intifada" on any day, but it's particularly obvious today.

Well yes, they’re inciting violence by chanting that, and I agree it shouldn’t be allowed… Whether it’s the 7th October or 7th November is irrelevant though. It’s incitement whatever day of the year it is.

But if their pro-Palestine protests were contained to, say, the practices of the IDF in Gaza or the plight of the malnourished children, well, it may be distasteful to protest today, but I wouldn’t agree with disallowing that.

TigTails · 07/10/2025 17:46

Have there actually been any protests anywhere today?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/10/2025 17:52

TigTails · 07/10/2025 17:46

Have there actually been any protests anywhere today?

Various universities have held them, TigTails - which I'd expect given so many are hotbeds of trendy leftist causes - and there's one planned in London tonight

Apparently the Met have invoked the Public Order Act for the second, but good luck expecting some of these idiots to take notice

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/07/pro-palestine-rallies-planned-universities-across-britain/

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noblegiraffe · 07/10/2025 17:56

TigTails · 07/10/2025 17:46

Have there actually been any protests anywhere today?

I'm assuming that the Birmingham vigil for the Palestinian (Hamas) martyrs of October 7th is still on.

To think any "pro-Palestinian" marches today should be stopped?
HappyGolmore2 · 07/10/2025 17:58

noblegiraffe · 07/10/2025 15:42

I guess today a pertinent question for the free speech/right to protest advocates is “should people be allowed to celebrate the October 7th massacre”?

Why, because isn’t what anti genocide protesting about. Causing more division with dumb arsed arguments like this really doesn’t help anything. It’s certainly isn’t winning anyone over to the Israeli POV.

Ihatetomatoes · 07/10/2025 18:01

Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/10/2025 17:52

Various universities have held them, TigTails - which I'd expect given so many are hotbeds of trendy leftist causes - and there's one planned in London tonight

Apparently the Met have invoked the Public Order Act for the second, but good luck expecting some of these idiots to take notice

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/07/pro-palestine-rallies-planned-universities-across-britain/

Today calling to globalise the intifada, at university campus. They really are disgusting shots. I wouldn't employ anyone shouting that.

"Students chant ‘Long live the intifada’
A student in a keffiyah has kickstarted the Inter-University March with a series of call and response chants at King’s College London.

“KCL, shut it down, UK government, shut it down,” the man shouted, before renditions of “from the river to the sea” and “long live the intifada”.

The march will start at KCL and weave its way through London, picking up protesters at London School of Economics, University College London, and SOAS.

A banner was unfurled at KCL in an attempt to block people from entering the university building."

noblegiraffe · 07/10/2025 18:02

HappyGolmore2 · 07/10/2025 17:58

Why, because isn’t what anti genocide protesting about. Causing more division with dumb arsed arguments like this really doesn’t help anything. It’s certainly isn’t winning anyone over to the Israeli POV.

What's this vigil about? What resistance is it celebrating by "Palestinian martyrs" on October 7th?

And I don't give a shit about winning anyone over to Israel's point of view, what they're up to is fucking horrendous. I do care however about challenging antisemites and terrorist supporters in the UK, which clearly many people do not.

To think any "pro-Palestinian" marches today should be stopped?
Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/10/2025 18:13

Apparently references to the "Glorious al-Aqsa flood" were also popular among the students, @Ihatetomatoes - and yes that did say glorious

I'd ask if they fully realise this is a Palestinian reference to 7/10, but suspect too many will simply delude themselves that parroting something in their language makes them look informed

So much for the "peaceful" intent of these particular protests ...

Ihatetomatoes · 07/10/2025 18:16

Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/10/2025 18:13

Apparently references to the "Glorious al-Aqsa flood" were also popular among the students, @Ihatetomatoes - and yes that did say glorious

I'd ask if they fully realise this is a Palestinian reference to 7/10, but suspect too many will simply delude themselves that parroting something in their language makes them look informed

So much for the "peaceful" intent of these particular protests ...

They come over as either hate filled or a bit thick. Hopefully, they are just thick, although being at University not academically thick but more lacking in critical thinking skills.

PurpleThistle7 · 07/10/2025 18:16

TigTails · 07/10/2025 17:46

Have there actually been any protests anywhere today?

Yes. Lots.

noblegiraffe · 07/10/2025 18:19

Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/10/2025 18:13

Apparently references to the "Glorious al-Aqsa flood" were also popular among the students, @Ihatetomatoes - and yes that did say glorious

I'd ask if they fully realise this is a Palestinian reference to 7/10, but suspect too many will simply delude themselves that parroting something in their language makes them look informed

So much for the "peaceful" intent of these particular protests ...

Interestingly, glorifying the al-Aqsa flood is why Richard Barnard, co-founder of Palestine Action is headed to court on the charge of supporting Hamas.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67100274

Maybe some of those students should follow him.

Fighters from the armed wing of Hamas at military parade

Glorify Hamas and you break law, says UK terror watchdog

The independent reviewer of terrorism says speeches and acts supporting Hamas's attack are against the law.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67100274

Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/10/2025 18:23

Interestingly, glorifying the al-Aqsa flood is why Richard Barnard, co-founder of Palestine Action is headed to court on the charge of supporting Hamas

I know, @noblegiraffe, but doubt very many of the students do - or even that they'd care if they did

As Ihatetomatoes correctly said they seem to lack the critical thinking skills which surely matter at university level, but then these don't seem much of a priority at some Unis

derxa · 07/10/2025 18:28

I’m ashamed of my university, The University of Glasgow today. Masked students in the quadrangle.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/10/2025 19:21

derxa · 07/10/2025 18:28

I’m ashamed of my university, The University of Glasgow today. Masked students in the quadrangle.

I notice, too, that unlike Edinburgh, Strathclyde and doubtless others, the Uni didn't even ask them to delay it

I'd ask what the masks are for - after all aren't all these events alleged to be peaceful and lawabiding? - but perhaps they appealed to the students as a sort of "paramilitary" thing, to make them look better on their SM posts?

Beachtastic · 07/10/2025 19:23

noblegiraffe · 07/10/2025 18:19

Interestingly, glorifying the al-Aqsa flood is why Richard Barnard, co-founder of Palestine Action is headed to court on the charge of supporting Hamas.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67100274

Maybe some of those students should follow him.

Or maybe we should all hurl ourselves at the police demanding to be arrested in defence of Palestine Action. After all, freedom of protest trumps all other considerations.

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Ihatetomatoes · 08/10/2025 06:30

Beachtastic · 07/10/2025 21:05

London Bridge was blocked today by an "Intifada 87" rally and there have been numerous other demos around the UK.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/student-protest-antisemitism-palestine-israel-gaza-b2840844.html

Are you able to copy and paste so I. may read please,?

User37482 · 08/10/2025 06:37

It’s a difficult one, clearly these protests on this day are celebrating a terrorist attack where a thousand people were murdered and thats frankly foul. I think anyone shouting globalise the infitada or displaying support for a terrorist organisation should be arrested and charged. There is a problem with the limits of free speech here. I mean would we allow people to hold a protest on 7/7 basically celebrating it? If we wouldn’t why should we allow this to go ahead.

I don’t understand why so many dumbasses support this shit, I don’t think they get that Hamas is an offshoot of the muslim brotherhood and financed by Iran and most of these idiots would be on the receiving end of an intifada. Also I’m not sure celebrating the day that resulted in the devastation of Gaza is very pro Palestinian tbh. I have a friend with family in Gaza, it’s fucking horrific for them. I think many of these people are just very very stupid tbh.

PurpleThistle7 · 08/10/2025 08:01

I actually keep wondering what would happen if that stupid flotilla had just landed. Surely Greta wouldn’t be welcomed with open arms? Hamas would tell her she needed a male guardian and to cover her hair and be quiet? And any gay, trans, etc etc people on the flotilla wouldn’t be welcomed either. What exactly do people think Hamas even is?

Beachtastic · 08/10/2025 08:58

Ihatetomatoes · 08/10/2025 06:30

Are you able to copy and paste so I. may read please,?

Sorry - I didn't realise it was behind a paywall. In fact, I didn't realise I must have an online subscription to The Independent!

It's a L-O-N-G but excellent article, and among other things explains the "tea and cakes" meeting by Goldsmiths for Palestine in the Feminist Library. Also includes mind-numbing snippets like Students at the university (UCL) initiated “apartheid-free zones” to ban Jewish students. You couldn't make this stuff up 🤡

“It feels like it is a discourse that has become completely normalised, with more and more sit-ins and ‘occupations’ for Palestine,” says Professor David Hirsh, who looks at contemporary antisemitism in academic settings. “This new antisemitism not only allows people to hate the overwhelming majority of Jews, but says they are right to do it.”

@User37482 I think the problem is that a lot of people don't realise what they are supporting when they parade with these slogans. And then they wonder why the Jewish population is fearful. To be honest, I'm not Jewish and I am also scared by the way people have so easily been manipulated into (unwittingly) serving a terrorist agenda here in the UK. Of course, there have always been fringe loonies who do that kind of thing deliberately. But to see whole swathes of the population caught up in flag-waving and chanting, blissfully unaware of how these rallies began and whose purpose they serve, is grim. For decades, we've wondered how the German people got so swept away in the 1930s... well, now we know. This is how it happens.

ARTICLE:
At the University of Liverpool, a student group was busy planning what appeared to be a celebratory “Palestine bake sale”. The poster, adorned in the red, black and green of the Palestinian flag, was made to promote the event on 7 October – titled “Time for Dessert”.

A group called Goldsmiths for Palestine will host a night of “remembrance and resistance” in The Feminist Library, away from campus. There will be a film as well as tea and cakes. Groups at other UoL sites, including King’s College London and the London School of Economics, will be organising a 2pm walkout. In Edinburgh, there will be a rally outside the library under the slogan “Divestment today, liberation tomorrow”.

On the anniversary of a massacre in which more Jews were killed than on any other day since the Holocaust, many students will not be lending their support to the Jewish community. They won’t be holding a vigil. Their events feel closer to celebrations. At least in the case of the bake sale, the organisers finally “agreed to move this fundraising activity to an alternative date, following an intervention by Jewish News”.

On Monday, Keir Starmer condemned the students planning protests on the anniversary of the atrocities committed by Hamas on 7 October 2023. He wrote in The Times: “It’s un-British to have so little respect for others. And that’s before some of them decide to start chanting hatred towards Jewish people all over again.”

But this state of affairs has been two years in the making, and similar protests have taken place across the UK during that time. Ruth Deech, a crossbench peer and a former principal of St Anne’s College, Oxford, said: “As a new academic year begins at British universities, it is painfully clear that authorities have failed to tackle extremist events and ideology on campus.

“The tragic events in Manchester have shown us what can happen when such hateful, violent rhetoric is normalised, and it is now incumbent on university leaders to enforce a zero-tolerance policy to ensure the safety of its frightened Jewish students.”

Ah yes, remember them? The Jewish students – a minority on any British university campus. Jewish students who routinely hide symbols of their faith, in constant fear of attack; of being harangued, abused and “punished” for the decisions of the Israeli government.

Abi Hass, who runs Sheffield University’s Jewish Society, tried to speak up against the “student rally for Palestine” that is due to take place on Sheffield’s main student union concourse. “I have become extremely used to people’s ignorance and casual antisemitism,” she says of her university experience, which she has described as “nevertheless enjoyable”.

But things have been difficult in the lead-up to the second anniversary of the 7 October massacre, which sparked the war that has so far led to the deaths of an estimated 66,000 people in Gaza – civilians and terrorists.

“In the last couple of weeks, the student union contacted me to see if I would be open to discussing with the Communist Society to see if I could change their minds on the date of a rally they were organising. I agreed, as I felt that maybe hearing the side of actual students could help them sympathise.

“Jewish students may know family and friends who were murdered or taken hostage, but I was simply told that the date was irrelevant, the rallies were welcoming spaces for Jewish students too, and it was impossible to change the date because all the posters and flyers had been sent out.

“The student union even offered to reprint the posters so they wouldn’t lose any money, but they refused.”

Universities are aware that the rallies are seen as insensitive, but many students feel that not enough is being done to challenge the groups who are creating an atmosphere that allows this sort of protest to thrive.

The University of Edinburgh, for example, put out a statement saying: “Our community should not attempt to justify or glorify acts of gratuitous violence against innocents. It is important that anyone participating in demonstrations against what is happening in Gaza does not fall into this trap.” Yet according to one Edinburgh student, a main university building recently had posters displayed in the window that read “We want 1948” – an expression, they explain, of a desire to eradicate the state of Israel.

Shadow justice secretary Robert Jenrick made a last-minute plea for the rallies to be banned. “University chancellors need to stamp out the virulently anti-Jewish hatred running amok on their campuses,” he said. “These groups are showing their true colours by holding rallies celebrating their heroes in Hamas two years on from the sickening murder of 1,200 people in what was the worst single massacre of Jews since the Nazi Holocaust. Any student attending ought to be kicked off their courses.”

But for most Jewish students who have attended a British university in the past two years, this is nothing unusual. They have become cesspits of hatred since the attacks were carried out. One Jewish student, Rose* – who this year moved to an American university in Florida to escape the antisemitism – described what happened to her at UCL within days of the 7 October attack. “Brainwashed Zionist genocide supporter,” whispered one of her classmates after a lecture. That was just the start of a campaign of horrendous bullying.

People shouted “psychopathic” and “genocidal” at her as she walked across campus. People pointed and said: “That’s her, that’s the Zionist.” Her photo was taken and circulated among pro-Palestine WhatsApp groups, who were concerned that she would try to infiltrate them.

Students at the university initiated “apartheid-free zones” to ban Jewish students. Once, when Rose was on a bus on the way home from a nightclub, talk turned to the war, and a crowd aggressively started shouting at her, “We are anti-genocidal.” She had been told that people who compared Israel’s stance on gay rights with that of other countries in the Middle East were guilty of Islamophobia.

Ironically, the person who has been most sympathetic towards Rose is her Palestinian flatmate – because most of the people screaming pro-Hamas chants and demanding the globalisation of the intifada don’t understand that these things harm Palestinians, too.

While legitimate protest is a basic human right, and many Jewish people support the calls for a ceasefire and an end to the war in Gaza – especially now there is peace plan in place –what some Jewish students have found is that too often they are held accountable for the actions of the IDF, by people who are parroting anti-Israel rhetoric that frequently mirrors much older antisemitic tropes.

“We are walking on eggshells, wondering if there will be more hatred to come,” says Nick*, a mature student doing a master’s at the University of Manchester.
“There is this feeling in your stomach, a sickening feeling, because you never truly feel safe. I try to avoid campus, but if I do go in, I hide my Magen David [star of David] necklace and then feel angry that I feel I have to hide it.”

For British Jews like David, universities have often felt like the front line of what is known as “new antisemitism”.

Throughout the 1980s and 90s, various groups tried to ban Jewish societies at universities because their members were Zionists (around 80 per cent of British Jews believe that the state of Israel should exist), and, in their parlance – paraphrasing a UN resolution that was later rescinded – “Zionism is racism”.

“People are afraid to show any signs that they are Jewish,” says Natasha, a psychology student at the University of Birmingham – where the Jewish Society, numbering 1,000, represents one of the biggest Jewish student bodies in the country. “I heard about one incident where a guy who had a kippah on was shouted at for ‘supporting genocide’.”

She adds: “There was an Israeli flag left outside a Jewish flat, with non-kosher food left on top of it. The aim is to say ‘We know where you live’ and to make Jewish students feel unsafe and intimidated.”

At Birmingham, an Islam Week hosted on campus in February last year sparked more tension. “There was a big tent in the middle of the campus with some really interesting stands, and it was all going fine until suddenly it wasn’t,” recalls Natasha. “There was a demonstration that turned nasty; visibly Jewish people who walked past were heckled [by people saying] things like ‘Israelis should burn in hell’.”

Rachel is another Jewish student. She is both pro-Palestine and pro-Israel, and has joined marches against the war. But as someone who believes the state of Israel has the right to exist, she struggles with slogans like “From the river to the sea” and “Intifada everywhere”.

“An intifada is a call for the perpetuation of violence, which is the fundamental thing I want to stop,” she says. “The hardest thing [about] being a Jewish person like me since 7 October is feeling like you are straddling the fence, and like you don’t belong in either party. You are not welcome.”

The hostile atmosphere can extend to lectures, too – even if the Israel-Palestine conflict has nothing to do with a teacher’s subject. While debate and discussion should be welcomed in any academic setting, for many Jewish students it has often felt one-sided, or that it was done in an insensitive way.

One Jewish student I spoke to was asked by a drama teacher, shortly after 7 October, to imagine themselves as “part of the Palestinian resistance”. Other examples reported to me by students include a psychology lecturer asking students to consider whether the Stanford Prison experiment was “something like the genocide going on in Gaza”; a history teacher including on a reading list a book that claimed Israelis harvested the organs of Palestinians; an American studies tutor asking students, shortly after the 7 October attack, to debate whether what had happened on that day was “justifiable resistance”; a geography lecturer pointing to a map of Israel and calling it Palestine; and an African Studies lecturer claiming that Israel had deliberately “destabilised” the continent.

“It feels like it is a discourse that has become completely normalised, with more and more sit-ins and ‘occupations’ for Palestine,” says Professor David Hirsh, who looks at contemporary antisemitism in academic settings. “This new antisemitism not only allows people to hate the overwhelming majority of Jews, but says they are right to do it.”

Starmer wrote in his column in The Times, which followed the murderous attack on a synagogue last week, that more needs to be done to stop antisemitism, saying: “Driving antisemitism out of our society is a challenge for our whole country. Everyone must play their part. It will not be solved with quick fixes but with painstaking partnership work across communities, faiths, in schools, hospitals and workplaces, in every part of our country and every part of our society.”

For the Jewish students who have felt ignored, abandoned and under attack for the last two years, that work needs to start on campuses today. Many are tired of words and no action.

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