To finally agree with a junior doctors strike

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Junior doctors have decided to strike as they are being overlooked for jobs / training posts which are instead given to international applicants. I’ve always abhorred their money grabbing strikes in the past, but support this one 100%. UK doctors should be recruited where possible, and international graduates only turned to where we cannot find a suitable recruit in the UK.

@Marchesman no, it was a post from Partha, who is a fantastic IMG, lamenting the way some senior consultants have sold the next generation down the river.READ CAREFULLY.

Why are you surprised? Huge IMG applications have resulted in unemployed UKMG doctors.

You both are too ignorant and full of your own self importance that you dont have the ability to read the room.

Quite a fast response I thought. Even on a bumpy tube 😊

@PurpleFairyLights Partha is awesome (as well as being UK lead diabetes doctor). He understands that IMGs have been sold a pup but also that UKGs are being left unemployed. He has the amazing ability to see the whole picture, shame others can't.

Hardly surprising, given my post.

A few more excellent Partha quotes (I'm sure he won't mind me fan girling again)

How would you even know that when you claim to studiously avoid them?

@Sparingthehorses 😂

I studiously avoid posting on them. Tbf, I only look a couple of times a year. Nothing changes, always the same.

What do you mean, "no it was a post from Partha"? I just said it was, and calling him a fantastic doctor and by his first name does nothing to burnish your credentials.

He said, and READ CAREFULLY:

"A storm is brewing in the NHS medical workforce. The problem is a lack of jobs for doctors, resulting in questions about competition for jobs between local graduates and international medical graduates (IMGs). An artificial bottleneck has been created by pushing for more medical school places in the NHS long term workforce plan, despite not enough jobs being available for those graduating."

While you are busily stuffing people into those places and pretending that "the future is bright".

54% of F2s don't apply for training posts. 74% of trainees are UK graduates.

If you don't mind, I am not going to read a room populated by you and Mumsneedwine. I have a greater regard for my sanity. Your competition ratios are meaningless.

Mumsneedwine, I long to know, were the consultants you were out having a laugh with the sort of consultants you told us about earlier? You know, the ones who don't actually have consultant jobs?

Are you on first name terms with lots of other important people as well as Wes and Partha?

Also if you are going to pretend to be in Oxford it's 'dreaming spires ' not 'gleaming spires'.

I'm so sorry. The spires were apparently not the right kind. I'm not as elitist as you I'm afraid.

Not sure why you think I'm on first name terms with anyone ? I'll call them Mr Streeting and Mr Kar if you like. Although I have met one of them a few times.

I do know that Mr Kar is a strong advocate for IMGs already here but also a strong advocate of not having unemployed UKGs. Because he's sensible. He also sees some consultants throwing their juniors under the bus, and he's brave enough to stand up to them. Lots aren't.

Not sure who you think are on admissions teams. Usually semi retired doctors. Who are/were consultants. But hey, carry on with the insults. Those slightly grimy if truth be told spires will still admit many WP students this year. Isn't that grand 😊

Honestly with this post you are just letting yourself down.

@Marchesman so your solution is what ? Don't study medicine in this country ? Or only do it where you deem appropriate?

There are enough jobs for all UKGs. More than enough. Even with expansion. But not if we take 20,000 IMGs. So, like every other country, prioritise UK trained staff and surplus jobs go out to anyone. Like US, Australia,India,New Zealand .....

And doctors trained here can work anywhere in the world. Which some will choose to do. Why stay in an NHS that has consultants who don't value them ?

@PurpleFairyLights it's like a bad episode of Twenty Twenty. The patronising elitism and rudeness are alive and well. And just as funny as it's always been 😂

A poster on here summed them up perfectly calling them pompous.

They have very similar manner of posting with insults and calling out slight typos.

Mumsneedwine I know personally and very well doctors on admission teams. Sensible professionals who would never in a million years be laughing at something on mumsnet with some random woman at a work event.

Your description of these so called doctors handing round your phone is more like the behaviour of a class of 15 year olds, which I suppose is what you actually have experience of.

I think you would love to see yourself as one of the lads but with no knowledge of how those particular lads actually behave.

By a similar manner of posting do you mean calling out nonsense (including made up nonsense).

Are the Partha Kar quotes definitely about IMGs? Just asking because the first two could equally be about the rise in PAs (and various ACPs) on doctor rotas and describing themselves as being equivalent to a registrar, there's a lot of discussion about this and the impact on medical recruitment and the direction of medicine as a career on Twitter..

Exactly. This is not how professionals behave.

Insults. Overly formal thanks to each other and picking out slight typos.

Ok. Startling that some posters agree with others and find poor SPaG annoying.

Without any shadow of a doubt you and mumsneedwine lead the charge (as on all the threads) for insults and for quite appalling rudeness.

I'm getting thanks by way of the little icon thingy - how can you see?

Doctors have a sense of humour and a lot of what the pro-IMG posters say is comedy gold.

A lot of doctors are reading the threads with interest but prefer not to post.

Have you found my posts where I say things are "beyond me" yet?

Your insults are your trade mark.