To be absolutely fuming about the digital ID thing?

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I work as a nurse in England.

I just feel absolutely fuming about the digital ID proposals and don't know how to channel my anger??

I very strongly object to this. It makes my blood boil when I think about it and I feel anxious knowing that something like this may be imposed on us all.

It is not going to stop illegal immigration. That line is absolute BS. They're doing it for their own selfish reasons.

What do we do? I don't want to not work, but I am going to refuse to have one. So my employer may sack me?!

It's just ridiculous!

Obviously I've signed the petition, emailed my MP, will join any protests etc.

But practically speaking - will my employer actually sack me for not having one?

I don’t have an issue with unvaccinated people being refunded entry to a crowded pub at the time of a global pandemic though. These people are selfish fuckwits and fully deserve to have their movements restricted for the health of the rest of us. I’m really glad that the democratically elected government of the time chose to protect us from these people.

I have no issue with it coming in. What I will do is think very hard about who I vote for in the next election. I will avoid any party who have shown even the slightest hint of admiring various dictators and wannabe dictators across the world.

Most UK governments can barely organise a piss up in a brewery half the time. The level of organisation, IT infrastructure etc. would be beyond them, even if they wanted to.

I don't hugely 'want' it. But I have no objection, having lived in countries that already use a unified ID system. It's convenient, it means all residents have exactly the same form of ID rather than the jumble of drivers licences, passports, birth certificates and utility bills that we have to use in the UK. It makes it hugely easier for employers who will no longer have to become experts at de-ciphering visa stamps in passports to determine whether a prospective employee has the right to work. Currently employers often go scot-free when found to be employing workers illegally as they use the defence that they made all reasonable efforts to check right to work but cannot be expected to be experts in understanding the myriad forms of visa stamps that people might have in their passport. It will increase inclusion by providing a clear right of access to medical services, education services, elections etc. Heck, in Denmark you even use it as your library card.

It will likely also be a deterrent to illegal economic migration - the French themselves say that the big draw of the UK is the fact that there is no ID system once you have landed.

Paranoid conspiracy theorists mainly.

Farage has said he is against it, but when push comes to shove would he get rid of it if he was PM? I slightly doubt it.

It’s not that hard for employers. There’s a fair bit to do when setting up a business, checking right to work is easy. It’s more that some employers don’t want to, so they don’t. How would that change?

Why does another form of ID stop an employer avoiding the system?

And are you sure about illegal migration, Germany has ID cards and highest unauthorised migrant numbers.

By the way: to the digital ID naysayers, @Chiseltip including me, I don't think we're helping our cause by saying "this definitely will happen". Saying this makes us look even more like hysterical "conspiracy theory nutters", and it's the polar opposite of "those immigrants will steal our jobs, doctors, houses; we must stop the boats at all costs".

We must point out what could happen. We could assume that while Starmer might be introducing this in good faith, we need to be very vigilant about what it could be used for, by an unscrupulous government, and voice our objections now.

It struck me that in 2021, the language used on both sides of the vax arguments was identical, with a few words tweaked. I saw both of these, and I'm not exaggerating:
"Look at those lemmings queueing up for the clotshot, they're all going to die, it's very sad."
"Look at those refuseniks, they're all going to die, it's very sad."

An NI number is meaningless and not proof of right to work. Employers are required to do extensive right-to-work checks, involving passport and visa checks. They often make mistakes. Or at least they often use a defence of making a mistake when they get done for employing illegal workers.

From the MirreM study:
Germany: 600-700k
UK: 595-745k

Germany has 1.5x the land area of the UK and land borders with 9 other countries.

So how has ID helped with that?

Because the numbers would likely be much higher if Germany had the same incredibly lax policies towards right to work and residency registration that the UK has. The fact that the UK, an island, has more irregular migrants than the biggest country in Europe (while having far fewer legal migrants) should make this patently obvious.

I doubt it, if they worked as you and the gov claim they wouldn’t have the same issue as us.

It’s mostly border control not ID doing the work in any country that has stopped this. You’ll always get people who are happy to ignore any ID in place, if you’re claiming ‘patently obvious’ stuff that’s it. How would you stop that?

With overactive imaginations.

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/25026762.bbcs-lisa-shaws-family-slam-covid-compensation-insulting/

And yet its what you said you wouldnt have a problem with in a previous post.

I had the vaccine. Its supposed to protect me right? So it didnt bother me if someone else chose not to

If you understood what a Digital I.D really is, you wouldn't be so complacent.

I emailed my local (Labour) MP and got their No.10 approved ‘press release’ style response, regurgitating the approved (and nonsensical) talking points.

They won’t be getting my vote at the next election, and made sure to tell them that. I also voted on the recent petition.

I can’t stop a Govt with Labour’s current majority from pushing this through. But I can make sure I only apply for one if I’m forced to, at the last possible point to avoid losing my job, and I can make sure I vote for a party that promises to reverse it.

I do understand. I have absolutely nothing to fear from it.

That's because you're incredibly naive and can't see how it could be used against you.

It's not THIS government's intention you need to worry about, it's the intentions of who ever is in power ten years from now.

Still fail to see how this digital ID can be used against me.

If the powers that be were to look at me, and probably most of us; they’d see:

Boring law abiding person pays tax, is a resident of the U.K. and is entirely boring. Holds some anti extremist views and is pretty much middle of the road- nothing to see here.

There is a WHOLE BUNCH OF SHIT that may massively impact all of our lives in the next few decades; climate change, far far right governments elected that then give us race wars and all the general global instability that goes along with that. Implosion of capitalism. End of the west as the global dominator.

But I fail to see, as a standard and boring U.K. citizen, how the government knowing who I am plays any sort of part in that.

Pick your battles, and possibly stop watching the matrix on repeat.

Yeah my mum died in June, we were asked if we wanted to use it at the registration of the death, we were told its a relatively new service, but its accurate, we didnt have to tell any government agency including council, Nothing.

Everyone is really going to have to stand together then the time comes.

No it isn’t. I’m just not a paranoid conspiracy theorist. That doesn’t mean I’m stupid, quite the reverse.