To be absolutely fuming about the digital ID thing?

[summerlovingvibes]

I work as a nurse in England.

I just feel absolutely fuming about the digital ID proposals and don't know how to channel my anger??

I very strongly object to this. It makes my blood boil when I think about it and I feel anxious knowing that something like this may be imposed on us all.

It is not going to stop illegal immigration. That line is absolute BS. They're doing it for their own selfish reasons.

What do we do? I don't want to not work, but I am going to refuse to have one. So my employer may sack me?!

It's just ridiculous!

Obviously I've signed the petition, emailed my MP, will join any protests etc.

But practically speaking - will my employer actually sack me for not having one?

I’m not sure what the fuss is about. What’s wrong with proving who you are and that you have a right to work here? We all have to have a passport if we want to travel out of our country where we live. Genuinely curious as to why this is any worse?

I live abroad and have had physical ID card and digital app for years. I really don't know why everyone is making such a fuss. Yes - a concern that it is done properly and securely is reasonable - but the tin foil hat stuff is just ridiculous.

You have a passport? A driving licence?
Can’t see what the big deal is.

Huge overreaction to boiling and fuming op. Seriously. This is done in many other countries already

I'm okay with it. It's like a passport or driver's license. Why are you fuming? Who are 'they' and what are their selfish reasons?

In reality Instagram probably knows more about me than the government ever will, and I haven't deleted Instagram yet... So meh. I suspect a lot are like me. I suspect you also think I'm a sheep though!

Keir has to fulfill his obligations to those Chinese contractors

Yanbu it won’t stop illegal immigration and will be added to requirements for citizens. Show your dissatisfaction in your vote.

I don't know why you'd make such a fuss over it and give up your job.It's just an ID card, other countries have them. I'm not thrilled about it but I'm not going to go making a fuss about it.

I have my own reasons for not wanting it and essentially I just don't want to be forced to do something I don't want to do!

I live semi off grid and like my life the way it is.

Eventually everything like bank accounts, social media accounts etc will be linked together. This is the start of a terrible big brother dictatorship state.

What ever people's feelings are on it is fine. If you want one then have one. But if you don't want one then what? Tough shit you just have to have one in order to work?

I have a passport, I have a driving license, I have my NI number. I was born and bred here. I'm entitled to work here. I don't want to have to have something just because someone tells me I have to prove who I am.

This is not the answer to stopping illegal immigration.

So what are others going to do that don't want it?

Obviously I know / will probably go back to a non-smart phone. But that doesn't resolve the issue of if they're actually going to kick me out of my job for not complying and becoming a sheep that does what it's told to do.

Freedom and all that is totally disappearing.

I don't care about having a digital ID, I do however have concerns about it being outsourced to private companies. Mind you,the government aren't the most trustworthy either tbh.

I have no problem with an ID card per se; but a digital one is asking for problems. People without smart 'phones, people with SEN who rely on benefits, but aren't considered to be capable of dealing with their own affairs.
Also, the risk of hacking, we have seen huge businesses paralysed, children's data being sent to god knows who. Does the government really believe their system will be immune?

The point of this thread isn't to get into an argument or discussion about it.

It is to ask what others are planning to do that do not want it?

I don't care about other people opinions on whether you want it or whether you think I'm over reacting etc.

I want to know what others are planning to do that do not want it.

I'm not going to be responding to people telling me "they don't know what all the fuss is about", that isn't the point of this post.

So why the need for a digital ID? If employers are doing their job they’re already checking that people have the right to work here, and it’s done with a passport. Anyone who isn’t a British citizen will have one along with an appropriate visa. Employers who employ illegally won’t change because of this.

My concern @summerlovingvibes is that as it’s something technically on us at all times, we could find ourselves in a situation not too far down the line where we can be stopped on the street and asked to prove that we have a right to be here.

As a black woman this concerns me, because non-white people will be the ones to be targeted, just like is already happening re the St George protests with people vandalising Chinese takeaways etc.

I don’t think it’s too far-fetched to imagine a situation like this looking at ICE agents just dragging people off the streets in the US.

It will cost an absolute fortune and take years to roll out, but will not do what starmer claims he wants to introduce it for.

We already have the means to demonstrate our entitlement to work in the UK either through passports, or evidence supplied by the Home Office. Employers that dont check that now, wont check a digital ID either.

I know that, the government know that, digital ID will be for much more than showing entitlement to work.

Your driving license and passport are already connected. I don’t get the anger - it should make things more efficient. Currently you call up multiple depts when a family member dies, wouldn’t it be better to do it once? Essentially, this info is already held somewhere so bringing that together makes sense to me. You pay tax, have bank accounts, driving licence and passport. You’re not off grid.

@summerlovingvibesI’m not sure, I’ll look out for ways to oppose and vote for a party that doesn’t want it, which is all of them bar Labour, well Starmer really it’s his thing.

@EasternStandard yes, Starmer and anyone relating to Blair. Agree, I will vote against it. But I feel shitty for voting for a party that may have other policies I don't like just in order to vote against it.

@Sarahconnor1 agree it will cost an absolute bomb, and chances are it will be inundated by hackers from day 1 very quickly working out how to steal our new identity. Absolute waste of money that is just totally not necessary.

I don’t want it and I don’t understand it particularly (not for the reasons the government are quoting). We already have ID that enables us to work and pay tax and NI.
If people want to come here and work, why make it harder- at least they’re working.
Any other types of work/ illegal work you’ll never stop.
What happens to our data? It’ll be the start of something else, tracking spending and social status at some point I expect.
I wouldn’t sign up to it unless I’m made to- put it that way.

You dont call up multiple deartments when a person dies.

The government has a "tell us once" process - and it informs all government agencies.

I’m still on the fence about whether it’s really necessary or not, and the long term implications.

However, if you say you’re a nurse, presumably earning a wage, have a bank account, passport, driving license, social media - that’s really not ‘living semi off grid’.

I'm not fuming at all. As one of those who has neither a passport nor a driving licence it may actually turn out to be useful.

They dont have our Governments Remember Track and Trace?

What ever people's feelings are on it is fine. If you want one then have one. But if you don't want one then what? Tough shit you just have to have one in order to work?

Then rather than full-on opposing it, why not campaign for a system like most EU countries have where the ID is optional (although very useful) for citizens but required for those in the country who do not hold citizenship, who may then retire it if they do become citizens? Regardless of whether this goes forward, you (and everyone else) would still have to prove your right to work in some fashion, say if you changed to a new employer. It would be relatively easy to amend the current plans so that people who could prove their right to work in the UK with a document like a UK or Irish passport or a pre-1984 birth certificate from UK country could continue to that. The new method would then be accepted for whoever wished to use it and required for those unable to produce another recognised citizenship/ILR proof.

I would maybe rethink I just don't want to be forced to do something I don't want to do! as a rational argument for opposing a change in policy or law, though.

Then that’s changed in the last 3 years since we had to sort various elements separately (councils tax was a nightmare - maybe varies depending on local authority)

I think you need to get counselling OP you sound totally unhinged. I’ve lived in a number of EU countries with ID cards and it’s actually really handy for lots of things. You sound as though you are slipping into paranoia and conspiracy theories.