To be absolutely fuming about the digital ID thing?

[summerlovingvibes]

I work as a nurse in England.

I just feel absolutely fuming about the digital ID proposals and don't know how to channel my anger??

I very strongly object to this. It makes my blood boil when I think about it and I feel anxious knowing that something like this may be imposed on us all.

It is not going to stop illegal immigration. That line is absolute BS. They're doing it for their own selfish reasons.

What do we do? I don't want to not work, but I am going to refuse to have one. So my employer may sack me?!

It's just ridiculous!

Obviously I've signed the petition, emailed my MP, will join any protests etc.

But practically speaking - will my employer actually sack me for not having one?

I don't think that sort of response is helpful. People should be able to debate the pros and cons of change and I think one of the biggest failures of society at the moment is the failure to engage in true debate rather than simply blame the other side, whoever it may be, for whatever is wrong.

Having an ID can be handy (I have one myself from my own country), if it is implemented and managed correctly. A legitimate concern of many here, is that the UK has a poor history of technology implementation and data management.

Not interested in people's opinions, again this thread is about asking practically what other people are intending to do that DO NOT WANT IT.

Please stick to the reason for the thread and go away onto another thread that wants a debate about it if you want to argue your point.

Wanting useful info only that aligns with my own way of thinking.

You're sounding like a toddler in a tantrum. Is that the look you're going for?

In what way is "you already have multiple forms of ID" an argument in favour of another form of ID?

@ForCheeryTealDeer how will you not comply? Do you mean you'll just not have one? So what will you do for work?

I hate to tell you this, but your driving licence, passport and tax records are ALL digital and linked. What difference is having a digital ID 🤷🏽‍♀️

I live semi off grid and like my life the way it is.

How are you living semi off-grid?

Are you not receiving electricity, water, gas, sewer grids?

Tax payers generally are not off-grid at all.

Why spend billions on it?

I can't get worked up about it at all.

You all were fine with digital IDs being a thing for covid vaxxers. So now, its time to play the game but for the other side. You've made your bed, now you're going to lay in it. Enjoy!

I have a strong feeling that it won't actually happen. It's been thwarted several times in the past and there is so much objection to it this time,I think they're going to struggle to get it through.

We all have to do things we don't want to do. I don't particularly want to pay taxes, or drive at 20mph when 30 'feels' slow enough. It's the price of living in a safe, civilised society.

I really despair at people who don’t champion progress

I fully agree OP. This is only going to be used to remove freedoms we have always enjoyed.

I feel the same but for freedoms.

YANBU

It’s a huge scale data harvest for AI, just like the babies’ DNA collection. Keir has donors that want something for their contribution.

I fail to see any good from this. Your passport/driving license is the thing. Why do we need anything else? What for?

Why aren't you protesting against the Childrens Wellbeing and Schools Bill too then?

It's bringing in what is basically digital ID for all children,
It has no end date on them storing the information and gives permission for them to basically share it with anyone they want if they subcontract anything out to private companies.
Every child in this country is having Digital ID forced upon them with no way to opt out or decline it.

I'm not in favour of Digital ID for anyone and I think it's why the government have pushed so hard for Digital Cash so they can lock you out of spending your own money when they introduce what will amount to a social credit score later on.

It won't improve safeguarding for anyone dumb enough to think that.
It's more stupid, never to be deleted data that can be entered incorrectly by a government leech and can never ever corrected, causing problems for people for the rest of their lives because most civil servants can't be bothered to do their jobs properly.

Just wait until your kid finds they can't get a job as they've been wrongly linked to the crimes committed by one of the other kids in their school, or the person with one digits difference in their IDs debts and, just like HMRC, that link cannot be severed even though it was entered in error.

Because without one and showing it is very likely you won't be able to:

Get a job
Move house (both rental and buying)
Access a bank account
Access healthcare
Claim benefits
Buy restricted goods (booze and fags)

This whole digital ID is being implemented world wide at the same time as part of the 2030 agenda. It will be used to micromanage your life once the Digital Currency is in place which for the Euro is this month and the Britcoin version will follow shortly after.

Once the control grid is in place, you really won't be able to complain without very personal consequences. Like the Trucker protests in Canada, they will just turn off your bank account.

How are we funding this? And where is the evidence that we need it, given we already have NI, passports etc? To me, this has not only come out of the blue as a means to solve a problem that doesn’t exist (we can already check an individual’s right to work in the UK, employers don’t need another) but we also know the govt has a terrible track record of managing and handling IT infrastructure and initiatives generally. Remember the £37 billion Test and Trace flop that was supposed to prevent a second lockdown? Crumbling IT infrastructure is rotting away in every part of our public sector causing problems, I don’t know why we’re wasting time and money on this.

So we don’t need a digital ID.

Make it optional.

Put it in the manifesto

don’t lie about why. No it won’t stop illegal working or asylum seekers.

Is the intention to show proof of right to work only if you’re changing jobs? In which case my passport does that already.

It’s not progress

I agree with you @summerlovingvibes

i won’t vote for them again.

If it is imposed, it would probably be compulsory for starting a new job, and we would have no choice. However, what would probably happen is that we are told at first that’s the only thing it’s compulsory for , but we are persuaded or more likely nudged to use for everything else, such as paying for sweets in the shop (monitoring our sugar habits), and it will be sold as a convenience. That, we can resist. There are lots of things which are voluntary now, but could be repurposed for government surveillance in future. I’m resisting using my phone to pay for things, having a Fitbit (could easily be repurposed as a tracking and “good behaviour” device), Alexa, smart meters. I remember being outraged by the idea of direct debit when it was new, that institutions could “help themselves” to your money: I paid bills by cheque in 2001. I have since been persuaded by the convenience of DD since, as long as it’s still possible for me to cancel it. That’s the sort of right that could be removed by stealth, when we are not looking.

Yes, I know my smartphone is monitoring my every move, which is a line often used to shut this argument down. In theory, the government needs a lot of paperwork to actually access this data, which is some comfort. It’s not impossible, though: Boris Johnson found this out to his cost when he tried to hide the Covid WhatsApp messages, but it took a multimillion pound enquiry to bring it out. A tinpot dictator like Farage or Trump could remove such safeguards, if it suited them (and I admit I’d have a hard time resisting the idea it it was sold as a measure to put Johnson in prison).

So many sheep on here, willing to give up their civil liberties.

So everyone who has a national insurance number already has a ‘digital ID’ file stored on a computer by the government. The only thing it doesn’t have that the new IDs will have is a photo.

I had a temp job at the Benefits Agency years ago and spent a summer on a task which involved checking payments and I had to access the data base using claimants NI numbers.

It was a sackable offense to search for someone’s details without it being required for the job. The system flagged up anyone trying to access the file of famous people, and there was manual oversight by a supervisor. Someone was caught while I was there trying to look up an ex girlfriend’s details.

This was over 20 years ago - I’m sure it’s even more linked up with all your information now.

Back then it had your name, aliases, addresses, date of birth, National insurance number, etc

Your digital ID file already exists. The photo just stops people who don’t have a NI number sharing or stealing someone else’s.