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Jews leaving the UK

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Ihatetomatoes · 06/10/2025 10:42

I dont blame them. I would if I were Jewish.

They have been failed by their country, which is the UK. I wish them well and hope the UK can sort its anti semitism problems so it becomes safe for Jewish people again.

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Santasjingleballs · 06/10/2025 13:47

Ihatetomatoes · 06/10/2025 13:46

All of this.

People need education. Jewish people have always lived in the middle east (and elsewhere). Judaism is older them Islam. The Ottoman empire was in the middle east with their colonisation... Palestinian people do not have the right to the entire area, all of it wasn't stolen as people pretend! So much misinformation.

Antisemitism is wrong and growing.

But there were Jews, Christian’s and Muslims living in peace in Palestine before 1948…

Chiaseedling · 06/10/2025 13:48

I’m Jewish and I have no intention of leaving the UK but I have heard friends talk about it.
i live in a very Jewish area so I feel I’m in a bit of a bubble, plus I’ve worked for Jewish or v pro-Jewish organisations for a long time.
Even though the marches appall me it is a lot worse in the Rep of Ireland and some mainland European countries.
ive also got no desire to live in Israel. I believe in a Jewish state but it doesn’t mean I’d up sticks, but thank goodness it exists. Those who hate Zionism, think about why there is a Jewish state - what happened to Syrian, Iraqi, Iranian and Eastern European Jews?

BluntPlumHam · 06/10/2025 13:48

Ihatetomatoes · 06/10/2025 13:46

All of this.

People need education. Jewish people have always lived in the middle east (and elsewhere). Judaism is older them Islam. The Ottoman empire was in the middle east with their colonisation... Palestinian people do not have the right to the entire area, all of it wasn't stolen as people pretend! So much misinformation.

Antisemitism is wrong and growing.

Education is the reason why Israel has lost the propaganda war so badly. The USA had to buy TikTok for them because the hasbra was failing.

birling16 · 06/10/2025 13:49

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WestwardHo1 · 06/10/2025 13:50

childofthe607080s · 06/10/2025 13:13

The isreali state is the only one that has such strong ties to a single faith - that means that peope
see Jewish and Israeli as interchangeable and we certainly incarcerated all Italians and poles in the Second World War

that’s how things work - don’t act dumb

Eh?

What about the Islamic Republic of Iran? Or the Islamic Republic of Pakistan? Or the Islamic Republic of Mauritania?

Don't act dumb!

Barnbrack · 06/10/2025 13:51

Chiaseedling · 06/10/2025 13:48

I’m Jewish and I have no intention of leaving the UK but I have heard friends talk about it.
i live in a very Jewish area so I feel I’m in a bit of a bubble, plus I’ve worked for Jewish or v pro-Jewish organisations for a long time.
Even though the marches appall me it is a lot worse in the Rep of Ireland and some mainland European countries.
ive also got no desire to live in Israel. I believe in a Jewish state but it doesn’t mean I’d up sticks, but thank goodness it exists. Those who hate Zionism, think about why there is a Jewish state - what happened to Syrian, Iraqi, Iranian and Eastern European Jews?

So you're saying an eye for an eye? Did you feel the same when Irish Catholic Iran bombings were happening in London because of how the English treated Irish Catholic? It's fine if we want to take Britain now? Or even if the south takes the north by murdering every non Catholic, from baby to granny? That'd be grand because of the history?

Santasjingleballs · 06/10/2025 13:51

Chiaseedling · 06/10/2025 13:48

I’m Jewish and I have no intention of leaving the UK but I have heard friends talk about it.
i live in a very Jewish area so I feel I’m in a bit of a bubble, plus I’ve worked for Jewish or v pro-Jewish organisations for a long time.
Even though the marches appall me it is a lot worse in the Rep of Ireland and some mainland European countries.
ive also got no desire to live in Israel. I believe in a Jewish state but it doesn’t mean I’d up sticks, but thank goodness it exists. Those who hate Zionism, think about why there is a Jewish state - what happened to Syrian, Iraqi, Iranian and Eastern European Jews?

Zionists bombed synagogues in Iraq and blamed it on the Muslims. So they can make the Iraqi Jews feel unsafe and move to Isreal ….

Meandmyguy · 06/10/2025 13:52

I legged it out of London when I was 19.

The UK is racist as fuck.

SkipAd · 06/10/2025 13:53

Meandmyguy · 06/10/2025 13:52

I legged it out of London when I was 19.

The UK is racist as fuck.

Can I ask where you went?

Barnbrack · 06/10/2025 13:53

I haven't seen a single protest call out 'go hamas'

I've seen a lot of peaceful people marching beseeching Israel to stop committing war crimes at an alarming rate.

I wonder how safe the Jewish people in Israel who disagree with what's happening in Gaza feel? The students and elderly being thrown in prison for protesting? The young adults thrown in prison for refusing mandatory conscription into an army committing illegal atrocities. Are they safe? Do they feel saf

MorrisZapp · 06/10/2025 13:53

Feeling unsafe is not the same as being unsafe. There's nothing anyone can do to make an ethnic or religious group feel safer when they are fully protected by the laws that govern us all.

Chiaseedling · 06/10/2025 13:53

@ruth87- oh yes, they must love Jews at the marches as it legitimatises their hatred of Israel even more ‘but Jews are here so it’s ok’ - wake the fuck up. You know it’s so offensive to me - you can not want the ordinary Palestinians to suffer, but pro-Palestine ie, Hamas and Israel hate, no thanks.

PevenseygirlQQ · 06/10/2025 13:53

I don’t blame Jewish people for leaving if they don’t feel safe and I don’t think it’s a decision they take lightly, and it is very sad that they feel they have to. I think we have a country in shambles where Jews, muslims, women and girls teenage boys, trans people and many more just don’t feel safe in whats supposed to be a safe country.

Anti-semitism needs to be stamped out so do Islamophobia, racism, homophobia, transphobia etc the world is a shambles and its so very sad

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InsectsMatter · 06/10/2025 13:55

ruth87 · 06/10/2025 13:37

Thank BluntPlumHam, I echo everything you say. To claim protesting genocide or wanting to see an end of Israeli war crimes against the Palestinians is "antisemitic" is totally absurd. Not only absurd but a totally insult to those Jews who have been or could be REAL victims of ACTUAL antisemitism.
As a British Jewish person, I'm sick to death of seeing the antisemitism card being branded about so casually. It's almost laziness.
Nothing wrong with being proudly Jewish AND pro-Palestinian.

Interesting how we have here the anonymous account claiming to be Jewish but a proud Palestinian supporter. Not many of these Jewish pro Pally types in real life but plenty when they don’t have to reveal their identity. Hmmm.

It is also interesting how the pro Palestinian crowd claim not to be motivated by Jew hate when Matthew Syed talked to scores of marchers when they were celebrating the Synagogue murders, and everyone except one, was frothing at the bit with Jew loathing.

And Interesting how the massacre of Christians in Syria received no opprobrium from the pro pally crowd, isn’t it. Are the Syrian Muslims just not Jewish enough to attract censure do you think?

Quackcow · 06/10/2025 13:55

BluntPlumHam · 06/10/2025 13:33

Why is opposing genocide Jew hatred?

I’m so confused by these threads of late in the wake of the recent attack.

Do you genuinely believe for two years the sheer amount of diverse people from all walks of life that have consistently been out protesting (the protests are just getting bigger) are doing so for ‘jew hatred’?

The utter absurdity of you to come to that conclusion suggests deliberate weaponisation of one atrocity to justify one of the most heinous mass atrocities of our time. Give your head a wobble.

There is a distinction which I am sure you appreciate between individuals and a movement. I do not judge each individual person on those marches and am sure that some are well meaning who mean no ill will. However, it is the case that the anti Zionist ideology and movement is antisemitic. There is a long history of a minority of Jews signing up to anti-semitic movements for complex reasons that I don't have the time or inclination to expand upon.

Liverpool2025 · 06/10/2025 13:55

Israel is a beautiful country which is attractive for many to live in.

It's government is carrying out a genocide which many people around the world are protesting against .

ParmaVioletTea · 06/10/2025 13:55

Ihatetomatoes · 06/10/2025 10:42

I dont blame them. I would if I were Jewish.

They have been failed by their country, which is the UK. I wish them well and hope the UK can sort its anti semitism problems so it becomes safe for Jewish people again.

Several Jewish friends have left, or are trying to.

The casual, everyday Jew-hatred here is awful.

Chiaseedling · 06/10/2025 13:57

Santasjingleballs · 06/10/2025 13:51

Zionists bombed synagogues in Iraq and blamed it on the Muslims. So they can make the Iraqi Jews feel unsafe and move to Isreal ….

I find this very hard to believe. Have you got a source for this? What about all the other counties we’ve been hounded out from over the centuries?

Did Jews carry out pogroms in Russia (where I originally hail from 3 generations back) and commit holocaust atrocities?

Come the fuck on.

WhatASlump · 06/10/2025 13:57

Lavender14 · 06/10/2025 13:37

But again, this is very black and white thinking. I think people can respect the right of Israel to exist and be run as a Jewish state, but ALSO expect Israel (as I would with any government or state) to act with caution and moderation when defending themselves as needed. I have no issue specifically with the existence of Israel and understand why it is important that Israel exists, but the issues around reconciliation and dispute with Palestine, specifically Hamas, and Israels recent retaliatory actions have, to me, now escalated to a point that I dont think is is defensible any more. And I say that as someone who grew up in the midst of a civil war and does understand the generational trauma and the fear that goes along with that and knowing a demographic of the country you live in want you out.

I was responding to black and white thinking from a poster who said this:

’person who identifies with a government and political movement based on racism, ethnic supremacy, oppression and genocide cannot be compatible with British values regardless of religion.’

The implication of this is that anyone who supports the existence of Israel is not compatible with British values. ‘Racism, ethnic supremacy’ etc etc are values they ascribe to Israel per se, because they think any Jewish state is inherently racist. They are not saying that it’s fine if you support the right of Israel to exist but not if you support the war in Gaza. They’re saying any Zionism (belief in the need for Israel to exist as a Jewish state) makes you fair game. That obviously means that in this framing most Jews are beyond the pale.

InsectsMatter · 06/10/2025 13:58

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Zionism is simply the belief that Israel has a right to exist.

Why do you believe the Jews should not have one country? Don’t you think that is rather racist, especially when Muslims have scores of homelands.

Chiaseedling · 06/10/2025 13:58

ParmaVioletTea · 06/10/2025 13:55

Several Jewish friends have left, or are trying to.

The casual, everyday Jew-hatred here is awful.

You can see that just by reading this thread the Jew hate is through the roof.

Followthattaxi · 06/10/2025 13:59

BoredZelda · 06/10/2025 11:06

What more? It is illegal, it is prosecuted, it is socially unacceptable. What else do you want?

And yet none of that stops the antisemitism. On a media post last week reporting on the synagogue attack, I saw a comment saying "only 2 dead, what a shame, more next time" with lots of laughing emojis underneath.

Fupoffyagrasshole · 06/10/2025 14:02

IPM · 06/10/2025 12:08

As if they're going to feel safer if they get caught up in missile strikes.

You don't think they're just making some sort of point and they were going back to Israel anyway by some chance, do you?

my neighbors returned to north London from Israel last month and said they are never going back there again and are staying put here where they feel their kids are much safer ! My boss at work is Israeli and has her nieces living with her currently as they also dont want to return to Israel! sooo its not ture that every single jewish person feels like this

Santasjingleballs · 06/10/2025 14:02

Chiaseedling · 06/10/2025 13:57

I find this very hard to believe. Have you got a source for this? What about all the other counties we’ve been hounded out from over the centuries?

Did Jews carry out pogroms in Russia (where I originally hail from 3 generations back) and commit holocaust atrocities?

Come the fuck on.

I didn’t say Jews I said zionists….